National 9/11 Debate

Gravy said:
I've seen all the truther arguments, and can handle them myself. Others would handle individual arguments far better than I can, but I think I'd do a good job with the whole shebang.

And I'm an effing tour guide. How can that be? Doesn't the "truth movement" promise to expose a world-shattering, enormous conspiracy? Aren't you right on the verge of that? So close? Almost have that last piece of the puzzle, do you?

Good lord, man, you can't even find the puzzle box in the closet. Your "movement" could not possibly be more pathetic.

Furthermore,


You

have

no

experts.

Hello? The official version is supported by thousands of professionals who actually investigated the crimes!

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On the other hand, your very best are utterly incompetent.


Do you disagree? Then set up a debate between me and your number one. Your very best. Your head honcho.

Make that your top six. I hereby put out that challenge (they won't answer me individually).

Obviously a team of your best experts could make mincemeat of a tour guide, right? This stuff really matters to the "truth" movement, doesn't it? I mean, you have all sorts of evidence to back your claims, right?

Then set it up, skepticalcriticalguy.


What a sick, twisted horror your "truth" movement is. I have never, ever, seen anything as poorly-named.
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Now this I would pay money to watch.

1. Judy Woods
2. Stephen Jones
3. Gordon Ross
4. Paul Thompson
5. Jim Hoffman
6. Jim Fetzer (for comedic relief)

versus

Mark Roberts

I am so waiting for this debate.

TAM:)
 
Ha! The only reason Gravy even needs to show up is so he can watch the distinguished Trooth alumni bicker each other to pieces.



Now is it clear why the "Debate" never happened?
 
T.A.M. said:
Now this I would pay money to watch.

1. Judy Woods
2. Stephen Jones
3. Gordon Ross
4. Paul Thompson
5. Jim Hoffman
6. Jim Fetzer (for comedic relief)

versus

Mark Roberts

I am so waiting for this debate.

TAM:)
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For newcomers to this forum, Webster Tarpley and I exchanged e-mails. He expressed an interest in appearing on 'Hardfire' and asked for more information about the show. I sent him links to Mark's debates with The Boys. Tarpley has not responded to the two follow-up messages I sent him.
 
pomeroo said:
For newcomers to this forum, Webster Tarpley and I exchanged e-mails. He expressed an interest in appearing on 'Hardfire' and asked for more information about the show. I sent him links to Mark's debates with The Boys. Tarpley has not responded to the two follow-up messages I sent him.
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Kind of says it all, doesnt it Ron.

TAM:)
 
Gravy said:
You're right about that. In my travels I've noticed a "warsh" and "anymore" belt that runs from around Virginia, straight across the Bible Belt and into Arkansas and Oklahoma. My guess is that it originated in Appalachia. I don't remember hearing it in Texas, but wouldn't be surprised to find it in the north.

ETA: just looked up Perot: he's from Texarkana!
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That's because the R's fall out of New England down through Ohio. Ex. in Boston you "Pahk the cah." and in Ohio you "Warsh (or worsh) your clothes."
 
pomeroo said:
For newcomers to this forum, Webster Tarpley and I exchanged e-mails. He expressed an interest in appearing on 'Hardfire' and asked for more information about the show. I sent him links to Mark's debates with The Boys. Tarpley has not responded to the two follow-up messages I sent him.
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He's a busy guy. I just saw him in South Bend yesterday, and he had another event last night, I believe back in DC.

Do you have Tarpley's email? (I don't think the one at Tarpley.net is working). I'll ask him if he is still interested in Hardfire. I'd love to see it.
 
skepticalcriticalguy said:
He's a busy guy. I just saw him in South Bend yesterday, and he had another event last night, I believe back in DC.

Do you have Tarpley's email? (I don't think the one at Tarpley.net is working). I'll ask him if he is still interested in Hardfire. I'd love to see it.
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Although I posted it here last month, here again is the exchange with Tarpley. I can tell you that Tarpley understands that he will be exposed as the fraud he is if he agrees to debate any well-informed debunker. The e-mail address that appeared on Tarpley's response was: tarpley@radix.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Ronald Wieck
To: tarpley@tarpley.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 9:55 AM
Subject: Debate


Dear Mr. Tarpley,

I occasionally host a cable show, 'Hardfire,' that airs in New York City. We taped a debate last week between two of the creators of 'Loose Change' and Mark Roberts, debunker extraordinaire. The conspiracy fantasists had good reason to be displeased with the outcome. The tinfoil-hat blogs cry out for a stronger champion, and your name keeps coming up.

Are you interested? I'd be happy to discuss 9/11-related issues with you on either one or two half-hour shows.

Yours Truly,
Ronald Wieck


----- Original Message -----
From: Webster G. Tarpley
To: Ronald Wieck
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: Debate


Sounds interesting - can you let me know a little more about your program, and about Mark Roberts.
WGT
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Dear Mr. Tarpley,

Sure. The show is a small one, although we've recently expanded to Nassau County, NY. Here are the links to the two-part debate between Roberts and the Loose Change Team.

The first program is at http://tinyurl.com/tkfhj.

The second program is at http://tinyurl.com/yfkqeo.

You could either debate Roberts--the match people on both sides seem to be clamoring for--or you could be interviewed by me. The range of 9/11-related issues could be broad or restricted to a few topics of your choosing.

Ron Wieck



On January 15, 2007, I wrote Tarpley again:


Dear Mr. Tarpley,

I haven't heard from you for a while. Are you still interested in appearing on Hardfire?

Regards,
Ron Wieck



On January 25, I gave it one more try:


Dear Mr. Tarpley,

I'm beginning to get the idea that you're not too interested in discussing 9/11 conspiracy theories on Hardfire. Mark Roberts is terrifyingly well-informed, but there is no need to confront him. You can simply be interviewed by me and I'm a pushover.

Regards,
Ron Wieck
 
If the leaders of the truth movement are fearful to enter a debate on a local cable show, with a "tour guide" (no offence Mark or Ron, you know the point I am making here, and you know the respect I have for both of you on this issue), how on this earth will they ever get the guts to face the big guns of the MSM and the legal system?

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
If the leaders of the truth movement are fearful to enter a debate on a local cable show, with a "tour guide".....
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They can't handle ANYONE who is even vaguely familiar with twoofer idiocy.

When I visited NYC last September I met up with Mark, Chad and Abby for a round with the twoofers.

Now I'm just some guy who works at an insurance company in Toronto - and they would even give up against me! One of two things will always get them to say "go away" or ignore you.

1) ask them for their experts (pointing out how the names they give are not qualified people).

2) take their own claims to a logical conclusion and then ask them if that's what they believe.

There was even one moron who insisted that the war in Afghanistan was to build a pipeline. He waved around a book that quoted pipeline plans from 1997 and how another plan was proposed in 2002

So he handed me his book and I flipped TO THE VERY NEXT PAGE.

"UNOCAL plan cancalled in 1998;" "2002 plan can't attract investment."

Easiest debate I've ever had.
 
pomeroo said:
For newcomers to this forum, Webster Tarpley and I exchanged e-mails. He expressed an interest in appearing on 'Hardfire' and asked for more information about the show. I sent him links to Mark's debates with The Boys. Tarpley has not responded to the two follow-up messages I sent him.
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Maybe he doesn't want Mark to make a condescending gif avatar after the debate.

Or maybe he just gets freaked out by that creepy thing Mark does with his hands. But hey, now that I think about it, Tarpley has his own weird hand gestures! This could get good! :D
 
skepticalcriticalguy said:
Maybe he doesn't want Mark to make a condescending gif avatar after the debate.

Or maybe he just gets freaked out by that creepy thing Mark does with his hands. But hey, now that I think about it, Tarpley has his own weird hand gestures! This could get good! :D
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Or maybe you're just a raving loon of the tinhat persuasion - that is more likely and the evidence of same is plentiful.
 
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