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Nantucket Sound wind generator

Drooper said:
I don't understand the relevance of that. It looks like a straw man, is smells like a straw man...
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Strawman is a logical fallacy that is applicable to an arguement.

That was a smart assed remark.
 
This is a great issue cause of the hypocracy it generates.

Some of the tree hugging enviro types who bitch about coal fired pollution dont want the windmills cause they dont look perdy and kill a bird or 2. The super rich beachfront owing republicans who want to put oil drills all over ANWAR are the same people crying that the majestic sound "that belongs to all americans" will be ruined by these windmill monsters.
 
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varwoche said:
One more minor preemptive point: My use of the words "screw with" was entirely deliberate. I did not say "screw up". That manmade structures like these alter (screw with) the ecosystem is an absolute given.

As to whether they screw up the ecosystem, this too may be true, however I'm not armed with enough facts to make such a claim.

One has to be very careful with choice of words around super skeptics.
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Don't ever do that again.
 
Drooper said:
I don't understand the relevance of that. It looks like a straw man, is smells like a straw man...
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I think it's relevant to consider the alternatives. Everything man does effects the environment, when it comes to energy production one should not only consider what effect the specific proposal has, but the effect in comparison to its alternatives.
 
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Drooper said:
Don't ever do that again.
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Goes to show. There's no topic sufficiently innocuous that it's immune to cynical, hostile posing.
 
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varwoche said:
Goes to show. There's no topic sufficiently innocuous that it's immune to cynical, hostile posing.
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You know exactly what I am am referring to. I have no objection to any posting here.

ignore.
 
Mycroft said:
I think it's relevant to consider the alternatives. Everything man does effects the environment, when it comes to energy production one should not only consider what effect the specific proposal has, but the effect in comparison to its alternatives.
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I don't think the deliberate and massive sabotage of oil wells relevant to that question.

What I do consider relevant though is the problem that wind turbines have virtually no ability to replace other methods of generation. Because their ability to provide power comes and goes with the wind, you need traditonal generating capacity, such as coal fired or nuclear, running at the same time in order to take up the slack when the turbines stop turning - as they do.

Since it is costly and cannot act as a substitute, not to mention visual pollution and threat to wildlife (which some people here need to read up on before they poo poo it) and sensitive envirnomental areas (google mud slides Ireland) I don't think it makes much sense for governments to be throwing subsidies at it.
 
ManfredVonRichthoffen said:
Strawman is a logical fallacy that is applicable to an arguement.

That was a smart assed remark.
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So you are saying it was a comment that made with no intention to have any relevance to the topic at hand. You can see how your intentions could be misconstrued though.

OK that's all right then.
 
Tmy said:
The super rich beachfront owing republicans who want to put oil drills all over ANWAR are the same people crying that the majestic sound "that belongs to all americans" will be ruined by these windmill monsters.
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Ah, yes, Massachusetts, always reliably in the Republican column on election day. Like that famous rich Republican family in Hyannisport... what was their name again?
 
Drooper said:
So you are saying it was a comment that made with no intention to have any relevance to the topic at hand. You can see how your intentions could be misconstrued though.

OK that's all right then.
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It was supposed to be relevent in that it wasn't a non-sequiter, but it wasn't made to make people think or make a point. I should have used a smiley face I guess.
 
BPSCG said:
Ah, yes, Massachusetts, always reliably in the Republican column on election day. Like that famous rich Republican family in Hyannisport... what was their name again?
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Our last four govenors have been republicans. We're not as wacko liberal as you may think.


I think the windmills are kinda cool looking. Much better than the all the cell towers that now dot the landscape
 
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Drooper said:
ignore.
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Wow. You stumble into my thread: 1) making snide inferences as to my economic status / motivation, while 2) making a buffoon of yourself by playing scientific super-skeptic (in error) here in the politics section.

And now you're going to ignore me? Go figure. (Pls don't misunderstand though -- I've no complaint about being ignored.)
 
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