Nancy Pelosi's missing bible verse

Perhaps then in future you should ask the question you would like me to answer rather than a different one? ACS: "What are the mainstream versions of the Christian Bible?" .... :p
 
Darat said:
Perhaps then in future you should ask the question you would like me to answer rather than a different one? ACS: "What are the mainstream versions of the Christian Bible?" .... :p
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Right - you gave me a link with 50 different bibles - pretty much all the bibles I've ever heard of.

So I then asked you:
ACS said:
You said most Christians don't get their beliefs from the mainstream bibles.

What versions of the bible do they get their beliefs from?
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So - please tell me - if most Christians don't get their beliefs from those 50 mainstream bibles you linked - which bibles do they get their beliefs from.

Which bibles that are not mainstream do most Christians get their beliefs from.
 
A Christian Sceptic said:
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So - please tell me - if most Christians don't get their beliefs from those 50 mainstream bibles you linked - which bibles do they get their beliefs from.

Which bibles that are not mainstream do most Christians get their beliefs from.
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Why ask me about something I haven't claimed?
 
Darat said:
Why ask me about something I haven't claimed?
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Here is your claim. I've underlined it.
Darat said:
Since most Christians don't seem to take their beliefs from any of the more mainstream versions for the Christian Bible I can't see what additional harm it does for someone to just make up a new verse that suits their belief.
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H3LL said:
Very good. You came up with answers.

They weren't correct but they were nice answers. That's usually enough.

Next stage is putting money on a plate .. I don't have a plate but I take PayPal

;)

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After answering, I looked them up. I wasn't wrong on every one.

1. Correct. There are two stories of creation in Genesis, although the second may be thought of as a continuation of the first.

2. Partly wrong. Clean animals by sevens (not fives) and unclean by twos.

3. Assumptive, and likely wrong. The bible doesn't say how Mary traveled, only that she did. Luke says the babe was placed in a manger, an animal feeding trough, and these are likely found in stables or barns. Animal enclosures. Matthew says "house," however.

4. Correct.

5. Somewhat correct. Summary from About, com article:
"After his resurrection, Jesus appeared to the women near the tomb and later at least twice to the disciples while they were gathered at a house in prayer. He visited two of the disciples on the road to Emmaus and he also appeared at the Sea of Galilee while several of the disciples were fishing."
(Matthew 28:1-20; Mark 16:1-20; Luke 24:1-49; John 20:1-21:25)

Judas wouldn't have been there, whether he'd killed himself after the betrayal or not.
 
Darat said:
To avoid the silliness of a "no true Scotsman" response.
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damned if you do, damned if you don't, I guess. Most people wouldn't worry about it though, and just call someone out on their fallacies after they commit them. To avoid such problems.
 
slingblade said:
4. Correct.
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For a given definition of correct.

Matthew 27:46
About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" - which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"
Mark 15:34
And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" - which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"
Luke 23:46
Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." When he had said this, he breathed his last.
John 19:30
When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
 
Careyp74 said:
damned if you do, damned if you don't, I guess. Most people wouldn't worry about it though, and just call someone out on their fallacies after they commit them. To avoid such problems.
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Oh I think you'll find on this Forum many of us do "worry" about it; in fact it was seeing ACS doing this in a recent post in a different thread that made me conscious that he would focus on that rather than address any actual point I was making, hence the wording.

What it didn't do was to stop ACS managing to avoid discussing the actual point I made in my original post! But that's life.
 
Careyp74 said:
Mercutio, does everyone have to know how to read to get their beliefs from the bible? I know if you wanted to take them directly from there, you would have to, but isn't it also the same if you go to church and learn the bible lessons and hold the churches beliefs?
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How much of the bible is regularly sermonized? If you are relying on church for your beliefs, you are most decidedly going to get a carefully chosen and distorted view--as it should be, actually; I am not saying this is a bad thing. Any verbal presentation of something that big is going to cut some corners, or it is going to bore people to death.

Is it any wonder that people don't tend to know all the laws in Leviticus? If you are only told about some of them, are you basing your beliefs on the bible? Or are you basing your beliefs on someone else's belief system, who happened to quote-mine from the bible to support his/her prejudice?
Maybe the argument is whether or not churches teach belief from the (any) bible. Like H3ll said, there are those that have said that the church doesn't want them to read the bible. I have heard this before, but i think it could be propaganda. What is the documents that you speak of?
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Around 600 AD the Latin bible was the official bible of the church authorities in Rome. The first true English bible (handwritten) is in the late 1300s; Gutenberg's was a century later in Latin, and the first printed English in the 1500's. Were the people who could not read Latin (hmm... what were the literacy rates back then?) basing their beliefs on the bible?
 
H3LL said:
For a given definition of correct.

Matthew 27:46
About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" - which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"
Mark 15:34
And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" - which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"
Luke 23:46
Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." When he had said this, he breathed his last.
John 19:30
When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
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"And the Roman guard said to the massed ladies, "Get thine asses outta here. Guys being executed usually do get boners."
 
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A Christian Sceptic said:
So - please tell me - if most Christians don't get their beliefs from those 50 mainstream bibles you linked - which bibles do they get their beliefs from.
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Just because most Christians don't get their beliefs from mainstream Bibles does not mean that they get their beliefs from alternate Bibles. You should look up the False Dichotomy Fallacy.

*I* took his statement to mean that he's familiar with the mainstream Bibles, and wherever Christians get their beliefs from, it ain't from there. You seem to have taken an alternate interpretation and are trying to make some kind of point based solely on that.
 
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