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Names in all Caps..some help..

jandarian

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I was confronted with this CT recently and have not been able to gather much in the way of a coherent explanation.

Ok, the Theory: That somehow Gov't use of all capital letters on official documents somehow means that we are not considered...I'm not sure..citizens..or maybe that we are property..again not sure. I have read a few different articles that vary on exactly what that means in CT world, but each seems to disagree a bit. I haven't found info that provides something factual, as far as I can tell anyway.

I put in a few search terms here and didn't find anything, but if it has been covered, can ya point me to the door please?

And no, just in case...I'm not debating anything on it, for any CT'ists chomping at the bit to get to me.

Thank you in advance.
 
This is the first I've heard of such a thing.

Is anyone you know a lawyer? A lawyer would probably know why they use caps.
 
Sorry, no ideas.

Does sound deliciously batty though.

Same with the freemasons thing. "Right. Ok. So they're trying to take over the world. I'm with you there. And they put the clues here. In front of us. That's the bit where you've lost me."

:D
 
I've heard this idea before, i think it was in the context of the CT of the USA being just a corporation (edit: of course of the british crown), Virginia Inc. or what it was?
 
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All caps were used for message traffic, for a good reason, but it is secret and I would have to kill the mouse in my pocket, if I tell you.

OCR

CIA

NBA

NRA

IRA

ETC... CCCP, CCIP, ARCP, ADI, HSI, EAR, ... oops
 
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Lmao. Ok. Well, if anything pops up, I will add it here. For now I will just keep digging...i want to be able to offer a response on this, as the person that brought to my attention is a close relative. Would be good to help her rationally figure this out.
 
jandarian said:
I was confronted with this CT recently and have not been able to gather much in the way of a coherent explanation.

Ok, the Theory: That somehow Gov't use of all capital letters on official documents somehow means that we are not considered...I'm not sure..citizens..or maybe that we are property..again not sure. I have read a few different articles that vary on exactly what that means in CT world, but each seems to disagree a bit. I haven't found info that provides something factual, as far as I can tell anyway.

I put in a few search terms here and didn't find anything, but if it has been covered, can ya point me to the door please?

And no, just in case...I'm not debating anything on it, for any CT'ists chomping at the bit to get to me.

Thank you in advance.
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Huh....what?
 
Want proof that I've been hanging around this forum for too long? The mere fact that I recognized the "name-written-in-all-caps-has-a-secret-meaning" schtick as coming out of the wingnut tax protester/militia movement milieu should suffice.

Anyway, the conspiracist mythology seems a bit confused on this point. Some tax loons have attempted to get out of trouble by claiming that they are not the person named in a court document because their name is written in all caps and that's not the correct spelling:

http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html#capitals

These arguments have never worked. a bit more from the ADL

There also seems to be a body of opinion that holds that the amending of the Trading With the Enemy Act in the 1930s declared all USAians to be the "enemy" and that the all-caps thing is somehow tied up with that:

http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/you_are_all_slaves.htm

And the other claimed meaning is that spelling your name in all caps on your birth certificate creates a fictitious legal entity (a "straw man") and effectively makes you into property. This is held to have something to do with the USA having gone bankrupt in 1933, a common belief in the conspiracist catechism.

http://www.commonlawvenue.com/Glossary/GlossaryT-Z.htm

Searches on this subject come back all covered with standard-issue boilerplate about "gold-fringed flags" and the never-ratified "Titles of Nobility Amendment".

In my view, these examples of Bircher-derived obsession with symbolism are a monument to the enduring nature of magical thinking in the human psyche.
 
Article on what the sovereign citizen movement is up to in Minnesota -
http://hennepin.timberlakepublishing.com/article.asp?article=1148

Article on a sovereign citizen scammer, Roger Elvick - http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=544

& I want to add that the ADL article ktesibios linked to is very, very much worth reading.

Although I can understand aspects of it spreading through the prison system, I am amazed that anyone would believe this CT; it seems like the absurdity would be apparent at first glance.
 
great, thanks guys. I'll work with these links. Hopefully this will give me the needed knowledge to create an actual perspective, since admittedly, i didn't have one of my own yet. :shocked:
 
I guess my bank doesn't consider me a citizen either. And whenever I sent anyone anything I put their name in capitals so I guess I don't consider them a citizen.

This CT just... isn't. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
 
Also try Quatloos. They have a "tax protester theories debunked" page that features a lot of similar material, although I didn't see this topic discussed specifically. (Can't post the link. Sorry.)
 
Manly Man said:
Also try Quatloos. They have a "tax protester theories debunked" page that features a lot of similar material, although I didn't see this topic discussed specifically. (Can't post the link. Sorry.)
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Here:
http://www.quatloos.com/tax_protestors.php

Good site. I didn't find anything relating to the sovereign citizen movement, which surprised me because they seem to have at least some of everything else.

http://www.quatlosers.com/bill_benson.htm Scroll down to the quote (in gray) from the seventh circuit court; useful info on the ratification of the sixteenth amendment.

http://www.quatlosers.com/dan_meador.htm Second section; gold-fringe on flags. :rolleyes:
 
I also remember something about microprint signature lines on checks being some form of sinister plot that tied into the all capitals lunacy.
 
When I went to night school to finish my degree, I had a Financial Management class where the first night we were told that we wouldn't be following the school's sylibus (he was new and we were his first, and last class). He told us we would all get A+'s if we would just sit and listen to his "truths". This was in late 2001/early 2002 and he was already into 9/11 conspiracy to go along with tax protesting. He also told us the "all caps" theory. According to him, unless your name was spelled on legal documents the same as you spelled your namethey were not legal. He had changed his name to all small letters and included a colon in the middle. He claimed that this protected him because they do not use punctuation in names on legal documents. About the only thing he didn't lie about was the A's, we did all get them, but we ratted him out on the evaluations and he was dismissed, and they didn't make us retake the coarse, probably so people wouldn't find out ( he made several anti-semetic statements).
 
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According to him, unless your name was spelled on legal documents the same as you spelled your namethey were not legal. He had changed his name to all small letters and included a colon in the middle. He claimed that this protected him because they do not use punctuation in names on legal documents.
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Good God... That's got to be the tax protester's equivalent of a tinfoil hat.
 
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