Nailed: Ten Christian Myths that show Jesus never existed

[Brainache]

You don't know how history is done that is why your proposal is Crackpot. You took a couple of names from a "load of mystical apologetic nonsense".

Saulus in Antiquities of the Jews 20.9 is NOT Saul/Paul in Acts.

Saul/Paul in Acts was in custody or in Rome c 62-64 CE while Saulus was in Judea at around the same time when Jesus the son of Gamaliel was high priest.

Plus, you cannot show that Saulus in Antiquities of the Jews 20.9 was a Hebrew of Hebrews, a Pharisee of the Tribe of Benjamin.


Romans 11:1 KJV---I say then , Hath God cast away his people? God forbid . For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.[


Philippians 3:5 KJV---Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee.

You just take stories in Acts and Galatians 1.19 at face value without even doing any proper research.

Please, no more Crackpot proposals.

Jesus the Rabbi is crackpot.

Paul the Herodian is crackpot.

Saulus was Paul is crackpot.

He doesn't call himself a Jew. He claims to be of the tribe of Benjamin which means he was from one of the non-Jewish Semitic people. Of the seed of Abraham is something Arabs can also claim.

What custody was Paul in? What makes you think that is a true account?

Your objections are ludicrous. I'd be worried if you started agreeing with me.

 

[dejudge]

He doesn't call himself a Jew. He claims to be of the tribe of Benjamin which means he was from one of the non-Jewish Semitic people. Of the seed of Abraham is something Arabs can also claim.

The Pauline writer does not claim he was an Arab.

The Pauline writer claimed he was Israelite, a Hebrew of Hebrews, of the Tribe of Benjamin and a Pharisee.

Now, you forget that you took your LIST from Acts.

One of the names on the LIST is Paul.

Paul claimed he was a Jew in Acts.

Acts 21:39 KJV

But Paul said , I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to speak unto the people.

Please, no more Crackpot proposals.

You obviously don't know what you are talking about.

Please, just go and do some proper research.

 

[Brainache]

The Pauline writer does not claim he was an Arab.

The Pauline writer claimed he was Israelite, a Hebrew of Hebrews, of the Tribe of Benjamin and a Pharisee.

Now, you forget that you took your LIST from Acts.

One of the names on the LIST is Paul.

Paul claimed he was a Jew in Acts.

Acts 21:39 KJV

Please, no more Crackpot proposals.

You obviously don't know what you are talking about.

Please, just go and do some proper research.

Why do you believe Acts, but not what Paul says in his epistles?

Acts is a load of nonsense, isn't it? Why do you believe Acts more than Paul's epistles?

Paul has no problem calling Peter and others "Jews", but he never uses the word "Jew" to describe himself.

 

[Belz...]

You have no idea how history is done.

Apparently it's not done like historians do it.

 

[dejudge]

Why do you believe Acts, but not what Paul says in his epistles?

Acts is a load of nonsense, isn't it? Why do you believe Acts more than Paul's epistles?

Paul has no problem calling Peter and others "Jews", but he never uses the word "Jew" to describe himself.

I am merely exposing your Crackpot proposal. In Acts, Paul described himself as a Jew.

You obviously don't know what you are talking about.

You have no idea how history is done. Paul in the NT claimed he was an Hebrew.

1. 2 Corinthians 11:22 KJV---Are they Hebrews? so am I. Are they Israelites? so am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? so am I.
2. Acts 21:39 KJV---- But Paul said , I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to speak unto the people.

 

[Brainache]

I am merely exposing your Crackpot proposal. In Acts, Paul described himself as a Jew.

You obviously don't know what you are talking about.

You have no idea how history is done. Paul in the NT claimed he was an Hebrew.

1. 2 Corinthians 11:22 KJV---Are they Hebrews? so am I. Are they Israelites? so am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? so am I.
2. Acts 21:39 KJV---- But Paul said , I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to speak unto the people.

Are you now saying that Acts was written by Paul? That's a new one.

If the Pauline corpus was all faked along with the rest of the NT, why didn't the "hoax forger fakers" just have Paul call himself a "Jew" like the Author of Acts did?

Why does he only use the convoluted and obscure language that he does about being "Hebrew" "Israelite" "descendant of Abraham" "Tribe of Benjamin", but never says "I'm a Jew".

Arabs from Idumea and the surrounding nations could also claim descent from Abraham (making them Israelites and Hebrews, but not Jewish) and the "Tribe of Benjamin" was a name given to non-Jewish people from the surrounding nations, it wasn't an extant Jewish "tribe" during the Second Temple period.

So now you are relying on the book of Acts.

Madness ensues...

 

[dejudge]

Are you now saying that Acts was written by Paul? That's a new one.

I never said such a thing. You said that Paul was listed in Acts and that Paul did not say he was a Jew.

Your statement is established as a fallacy.

Paul, listed in Acts, said he was a man and a Jew.
Acts 21:39 KJV---- But Paul said , I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to speak unto the people.

 

[Brainache]

I never said such a thing. You said that Paul was listed in Acts and that Paul did not say he was a Jew.

Your statement is established as a fallacy.

Paul, listed in Acts, said he was a man and a Jew.
Acts 21:39 KJV---- But Paul said , I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to speak unto the people.

So now you are taking Acts at face value and believing that book, rather than Paul's epistles where he doesn't call himself a Jew. OK.

I was using the list of names of Paul's companions at Antioch to identify Menachem The Essene as "Manaen who was raised by Herod". The same Menachem who tried to take over the early stages of the revolt against Rome according to Josephus. The same Menachem the Essene who according to the Talmud was given special privileges by Herod because he taught obedience to Rome etc.

You don't have a reply to that. Or do you?

 

[dejudge]

So now you are taking Acts at face value and believing that book, rather than Paul's epistles where he doesn't call himself a Jew. OK.

I have merely exposed your Crackpot proposal that Saulus in Antiquities of the Jews 20.9 was Saul/Paul in Acts.

You are the one who admitted you took a list of names from Acts which included Paul.

I also exposed your fallacy that Paul did not claim he was a Jew.

Paul, listed in Acts, did claim he was a Jew.

I was using the list of names of Paul's companions at Antioch to identify Menachem The Essene as "Manaen who was raised by Herod". The same Menachem who tried to take over the early stages of the revolt against Rome according to Josephus. The same Menachem the Essene who according to the Talmud was given special privileges by Herod because he taught obedience to Rome etc.

Paul listed in Acts was NOT an Arab or an Herodian.

Paul, listed in Acts, was a Jewish man.

Your crackpot proposal has been utterly debunked.

 

[Brainache]

I have merely exposed your Crackpot proposal that Saulus in Antiquities of the Jews 20.9 was Saul/Paul in Acts.

You are the one who admitted you took a list of names from Acts which included Paul.

I also exposed your fallacy that Paul did not claim he was a Jew.

Paul, listed in Acts, did claim he was a Jew.



Paul listed in Acts was NOT an Arab or an Herodian.

Paul, listed in Acts, was a Jewish man.

Your crackpot proposal has been utterly debunked.

Paul wrote his epistles wherein he does not call himself Jewish. He calls himself everything but Jewish.

Paul did not write the book of Acts. Someone else wrote the book of Acts, so it was someone else who said that Paul was Jewish in the book of Acts, not Paul. Paul was dead before Acts was written, so whoever wrote it could say whatever they like about Paul. One of the things they said about him was that his companions at Antioch included "Manaen" and also someone called "Simon Niger" you could look up Simon or Simeon Niger for a bit more fun with revolutionaries, if you like.

Your objections remain as "cogent" as ever.

 

[dejudge]

Paul wrote his epistles wherein he does not call himself Jewish. He calls himself everything but Jewish.

What a big lie.

Hebrews refer to Jews.

In the Pauline Corpus, writers under the name of Paul claimed they were Jews [Hebrew, of Israel, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin and Pharisees]

Phillipians 3 5 ---Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee.
Romans 11:1 KJV----I say then , Hath God cast away his people? God forbid . For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 Corinthians 11:22 KJV---Are they Hebrews? so am I. Are they Israelites? so am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? so am I.

Paul did not write the book of Acts. Someone else wrote the book of Acts, so it was someone else who said that Paul was Jewish in the book of Acts, not Paul. Paul was dead before Acts was written, so whoever wrote it could say whatever they like about Paul.

You have ZERO corroborative evidence of an historical Paul yet you took a list of names from Acts, mystical apologetic nonsense, and put forward a crackpot proposal that Paul was an Herodian.

The Pauline writings and ACTS do NOT state Paul was an Herodian.

Paul was LISTED as a JEW in Acts.

Plus, you have NO evidence at all that Pauline writers died before Acts of the Apostles was fabricated.

One of the things they said about him was that his companions at Antioch included "Manaen" and also someone called "Simon Niger" you could look up Simon or Simeon Niger for a bit more fun with revolutionaries, if you like.

Acts is mystical apologetic nonsense. "Manaen" and Simeon Niger are found once in Acts 13 but NOT found in the Pauline Corpus.

Your proposal is Crackpot.

Acts 13 tell us virtually NOTHING about Manaen and Simeon Niger.

Acts 13:1 KJV----Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.

I am sorry!! You have no idea how history is done.

 

[Brainache]

What a big lie.

Hebrews refer to Jews.

In the Pauline Corpus, writers under the name of Paul claimed they were Jews [Hebrew, of Israel, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin and Pharisees]

Phillipians 3 5 ---Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee.
Romans 11:1 KJV----I say then , Hath God cast away his people? God forbid . For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 Corinthians 11:22 KJV---Are they Hebrews? so am I. Are they Israelites? so am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? so am I.


You have ZERO corroborative evidence of an historical Paul yet you took a list of names from Acts, mystical apologetic nonsense, and put forward a crackpot proposal that Paul was an Herodian.

The Pauline writings and ACTS do NOT state Paul was an Herodian.

Paul was LISTED as a JEW in Acts.

Plus, you have NO evidence at all that Pauline writers died before Acts of the Apostles was fabricated.




Acts is mystical apologetic nonsense. "Manaen" and Simeon Niger are found once in Acts 13 but NOT found in the Pauline Corpus.

Your proposal is Crackpot.

Acts 13 tell us virtually NOTHING about Manaen and Simeon Niger.

Acts 13:1 KJV----Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.

I am sorry!! You have no idea how history is done.

What a bizarre farrago of nonsense you post.

As cogent as ever. Keep it up, at this rate all the MJers will be jumping ship just to avoid any association with your crackpottery.

 

[dejudge]

...Acts is mystical apologetic nonsense. "Manaen" and Simeon Niger are found once in Acts 13 but NOT found in the Pauline Corpus.

Your proposal is Crackpot.

Acts 13 tell us virtually NOTHING about Manaen and Simeon Niger.

Acts 13:1 KJV----Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.

I am sorry!! You have no idea how history is done.

What a bizarre farrago of nonsense you post.

As cogent as ever. Keep it up, at this rate all the MJers will be jumping ship just to avoid any association with your crackpottery.

You don't have a clue how history is done.

You pluck names from Acts of the Apostles found in only ONE single verse and argue Paul was Herodian without a shred of corroboration.

Paul was a JEW in Acts of the Apostles and the Pauline Corpus.

 

[Brainache]

You don't have a clue how history is done.

You pluck names from Acts of the Apostles found in only ONE single verse and argue Paul was Herodian without a shred of corroboration.

Paul was a JEW in Acts of the Apostles and the Pauline Corpus.

Paul doesn't call himself a Jew.

The author of Acts associated Paul with Manaen and Simeon Niger.

Paul sends greetings to his Herodian relatives at the end of "Romans".

I haven't seen any evidence of your grasp of the Historical Method, so I guess we must be even...

 

[Belz...]

You don't have a clue how history is done.

How is it done, then ?

 

[dejudge]

Paul doesn't call himself a Jew.

What a big lie!!

In Acts, Paul called himself a Jew.

In Philippians, Corinthians and Romans, Pauline writers claimed to be Jews.

The author of Acts associated Paul with Manaen and Simeon Niger.

You believe Acts--mystical apologetic nonsense.

The very same author of Acts, mystical apologetic nonsense, who associated Paul with Manaen and Simon Niger also QUOTED Paul where he claimed he was a JEW.

Paul sends greetings to his Herodian relatives at the end of "Romans".

Your statement is a well established fallacy.

The Pauline writer sent greeting to HERODION --not Herodian relatives.

Romans 16:11 CEB ----"Say hello to my relative Herodion. Say hello to the members of the household of Narcissus who are in the Lord".

You haven't got a clue to how history is done.

You merely pluck names from mystical apologetic nonsense and invent their biographies from your IMAGINATION.

 

[proudfootz]

You don't have a clue how history is done.

You pluck names from Acts of the Apostles found in only ONE single verse and argue Paul was Herodian without a shred of corroboration.

Paul was a JEW in Acts of the Apostles and the Pauline Corpus.

It seems many HJers can't be satisfied with the texts as written, so they have to rewrite them to suit their theories.

Anyone attaching themselves to the 'Paul the Herodian' nonsense has no credibility talking to anyone about 'how history is done'. Eisenman's crackpottery is on a par with Atwill's 'Caesar's Messiah'. A testimony to how far one can take their 'history' on the basis on little or no evidence - just like HJers do with their couple of proof-texts about Jesus.

 

[Brainache]

What a big lie!!

In Acts, Paul called himself a Jew.

No. Someone else claimed that Paul said that.

In Philippians, Corinthians and Romans, Pauline writers claimed to be Jews.

No. He very carefully avoided calling himself Jewish, but called himself a lot of closely related things like Hebrew, Israelite and descendent of Abraham. All things the Arabs of the surrounding nations could claim. Also what the Herodian Royal Family could claim.

You believe Acts--mystical apologetic nonsense.

The very same author of Acts, mystical apologetic nonsense, who associated Paul with Manaen and Simon Niger also QUOTED Paul where he claimed he was a JEW.

The name "Menaen" fits with what other sources tell us about "Menachem The Essene" ie: Josephus and The Talmud.

Paul calling himself a Jew conflicts with earlier sources like the epistles and (possibly) Josephus.

Your statement is a well established fallacy.

Your replies might not look so stupid if you learned what these words mean.

The Pauline writer sent greeting to HERODION --not Herodian relatives.

Romans 16:11 CEB ----"Say hello to my relative Herodion. Say hello to the members of the household of Narcissus who are in the Lord".

"Herodion" means "Littlest Herod", just as "Caesarion" means "littlest Caesar". Aristobulus and his wife Salome had a young son called "Herod" with them in Rome at that time. And "Herodion" isn't a name that many Jews would have chosen for their kid, as Herod was not a very popular figure.

You haven't got a clue to how history is done.

You merely pluck names from mystical apologetic nonsense and invent their biographies from your IMAGINATION.

I have to say that I would be worried if you thought I was doing it right, judging from your posts on this subject. You do a masterful job of making the MJ crowd look like a bunch of crackpots. Thanks.

 

[dejudge]

In Philippians, Corinthians and Romans, Pauline writers claimed to be Jews.

No. He very carefully avoided calling himself Jewish, but called himself a lot of closely related things like Hebrew, Israelite and descendent of Abraham.
All things the Arabs of the surrounding nations could claim. Also what the Herodian Royal Family could claim.

Your statement is highly fallacious. Jews are circumcised on the EIGHTH DAY but Arabs are circumcised AFTER the 13th YEAR according to Josephus.



Antiquities of the Jews 1.12

And they circumcised him upon the eighth day and from that time the Jews continue the custom of circumcising their sons within that number of days.
But as for the Arabians, they circumcise after the thirteenth year, because Ismael, the founder of their nation, who was born to Abraham of the concubine, was circumcised at that age.

Paul was a JEW in the Pauline Corpus--NOT an Arab.

Philippians 3:5 KJV

Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee.

Please, no more crackpot proposals.

Paul in Acts claimed he was a Jew. The Paul in the list you plucked from Acts was a Jewish man.

1. Acts 21:39 KJV But Paul said , I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus

2. Acts 22.1 3 I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus...

3. Acts 26:4 KJV----My manner of life from my youth, which was at the first among mine own nation at Jerusalem, know all the Jews.

 

[davefoc]

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No. He very carefully avoided calling himself Jewish, but called himself a lot of closely related things like Hebrew, Israelite and descendent of Abraham. All things the Arabs of the surrounding nations could claim. Also what the Herodian Royal Family could claim.
...

Until I read this I thought Hebrew and Jewish would have been used interchangeably in this context. Apparently not. Would you provide some more information about this? I know there is the Samaritan group which practiced a religion related to Judaism. Were they Hebrews but not Jews?

I just looked up Hebrews in Wikipedia and my head is spinning. The term seems to not mean exactly Jew except in a bunch of languages other than English where it means exactly Jew. The term seems to have various meanings throughout history, but I suppose the part of all this that supports you idea is that often the term was used in a way that was not synonymous with Jew.