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What is subject to change? The laws themselves? Or, how we "interpret" them?

As if to say human beings "established" these rules? No, of course not.
The "laws" are what we wrote, as descriptions of observations. So yes, the laws change.

In the context I spoke of, humans designed things and so yes, humans established those rules. But you were the one who claimed to be able to discriminate "design", as opposed to "pattern", from a set of rules. I am merely asking you to tell us how you do this.
 
What is in the middle of two mutually exclusive options?
The fact that we are able to "define" anything at all. Which is the purpose behind contrast, which gives us the means to define everything within its range. There is no definition without contrast, and contrast is the convergience (i.e., medium) between two extremes.
 
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The "laws" are what we wrote, as descriptions of observations. So yes, the laws change.
As if to say there would be nothing there if we weren't here to observe it? No.

In the context I spoke of, humans designed things and so yes, humans established those rules. But you were the one who claimed to be able to discriminate "design", as opposed to "pattern", from a set of rules. I am merely asking you to tell us how you do this.
Humans "seem" to establish their own rules. Yet they couldn't do so without any precusory rules (i.e., the laws of physics) in order to do so. So in that sense we have to ask, if human intelligence is just an anamoly when, taken in that context, can only be expressed as existing "outside" of the framework (i.e., the inherent design of the Universe) which spawned it?

This has very much to do with my "Do Fish Have Brains?" argument which somehow got lost when transitioning over to the new forum. Any problems with me reviving that thread?
 
Yes.

So you have no proof that we are designed, and we have an explanation that does not require us to be designed, correct? Which is the better theory?

A design implies a designer, due to the mean of the word. You do not know there is a designer, so all you can call it is a pattern until you have this proof.
And, are we to take human intelligence (and the things humans design) in context with the Universal design that spawed it or, entirely outside of that context?

So you don't have proof? How about providing it anyway, and lets see where it leads us? If your proof really is proof, then obviously I would have to believe it, correct? I believe we are not designed from lack of proof. Provide this proof and I cannot logically continue to think we are not designed.
You have your proof.
 
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The fact that we are able to "define" anything at all. Which is the purpose behind contrast, which gives us the means to define everything within its range. There is no definition without contrast, and contrast is the convergience (i.e., medium) between two extremes.
Let me guess--you were missing the day they talked about Venn diagrams in school.

Your answer presupposes that there is some sort of overlap between the two categories:
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Which is just ducky, except that what is materialist is not idealist--there is no overlap:
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So...what is in the middle of two mutually exclusive options? Your answer ignores the "mutually exclusive" portion, and shows your ignorance of both materialism and idealism. Are you also ignorant of your own dualism? In the second diagram...what is it that is both A and B?
 
As if to say there would be nothing there if we weren't here to observe it? No.
Not at all what I said. Please try to read and understand. You asked if the laws change. The laws are what we write to describe the observations. The laws do change, and have changed. Nothing in this truthful account comes remotely close to saying that "there would be nothing there if we weren't here to observe it".
Humans "seem" to establish their own rules. Yet they couldn't do so without any precusory rules (i.e., the laws of physics) in order to do so. So in that sense we have to ask, if human intelligence is just an anamoly when, taken in that context, can only be expressed as existing "outside" of the framework (i.e., the inherent design of the Universe) which spawned it?
The precursory rules you speak of are not the laws of physics. The laws of physics are written by humans, to describe our observations. We are not "establishing our own rules", but using rules (a human construct) to describe what we observe in the universe. Whether or not those "rules" exist without us is impossible to answer. Whether or not the "rules" we describe will ever be an exact description of the universe is also impossible to answer; there may always be a better description.

You say we could not establish rules without precursory rules. No. We could not establish rules without consistent observations. The "rules" are always inferred. The rest of the paragraph is, therefore, noise.
This has very much to do with my "Do Fish Have Brains?" argument which somehow got lost when transitioning over to the new forum. Any problems with me reviving that thread?
You are within your rights to do so. Unless you have learned from what others posted in that thread, you can expect to see the same sound thrashing of your notions as you saw before.
 
So...what is in the middle of two mutually exclusive options? Your answer ignores the "mutually exclusive" portion, and shows your ignorance of both materialism and idealism. Are you also ignorant of your own dualism? In the second diagram...what is it that is both A and B?
Yes, I have a mind and I have a body, and both overlap and coexist. I don't see how this has anything to do with being "mutually exclusive."
 
Yes, I have a mind and I have a body, and both overlap and coexist. I don't see how this has anything to do with being "mutually exclusive."
Oh, it's not a problem at all, unless you want to claim that your mind actually influences your body. Then, you run afoul of the laws of physics as we currently understand them. If something has an effect on your physical body, that something is by definition physical. If it is not physical, it cannot have an effect on your body. This is where dualism falters Descartes put the interaction in the pineal gland, but did not say how mind actually is able to move even the pineal gland. Others "solve" the problem by saying simply that god does it, and is not bound by the laws of physics. Which is great--now we have explained one assumed magical entity (the mind) by the use of another magical entity (god).

I am sure, though, that you have a better explanation for any alleged interaction between mind and body...feel free to enlighten us all.
 
Are you familiar with the term induction?
Iacchus, you have redefined so many words during your time here that it is useless for you to ask this question. How is it that you use the term "induction", and how does it apply to the alleged causal connection between immaterial and material?
 

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