And if there were no sentient (real) creatures to point this out to other non-existent sentient (real) creatures, then who gives a crap? Obviously the only thing that makes it real -- regardless of whether it "exists" or not -- is the fact that we're sentient. Therefore, it's only possible to believe that we're here, so long as were here ... and then, according to the tenets of materialism, there will be nothing.Correa Neto said:
Iacchus said:
Iacchus said:
I know you are not stupid, why are you acting like you are?
1- Fine? You said in your last post my believing there is no “self†was disrespectful to you, now you say it is fine?
2- I to again say I know you are not stupid, why are you acting like you are?
Would not it be far more mature and honest to just admit you can not show even one thing that is in and of itself “selfâ€. Be honest, it is a wonderful feeling.
Also stop living gripped with fears, there is nothing to free from the truth that who you “believe†you are.
The person posting, the person called you ( your name) the stubborn and all your personality traits person is comprised of a body he shares with many other life forms, a body changing every second, never the same always being born and dying, who will know death and decay, so not self.
A personality that is shaped and influenced by mother, father, friends, events, fears and emotions not the same it was at birth, 5, 10 16, 25, 40 now and at death, ever changing and by such not self.
This personality will die with the brain and body. But the mind ( I BELIEVE) like all energy moves on to again change form.
The body and personality are like all things compound they are subject to impermanence.’
You so fear not being “you†for all time, you so fear it you are not fully living every second now. You come to a discussion board filled with people who do not simply follow anything blindly and expect them to blindly follow and believe you, they will not and you become angry, frustrated and so on.
You make a statement like
You really believe that others not believing you means they are being disrespectful to you. Sad
You are causing your own suffering.
It's hard to say, it all depends on who reads them.Mercutio said:
And why are the experts in any given field so often proven wrong? Because knowledge is not the key. It is not the actual "thing" that knowledge alludes to.
No, I think the question was directed towards you.
And what we have here is a case of blind men and gray elephants.
Evidence means nothing outside of our ability to "experience" -- as opposed to just furnishing knowledge -- what that evidence means.
Just merely to inform you that things do "stick" together.
I cannot present anything to you, other than what's in your mind to see. If it's not there, then you won't see it.
Aha, it's clearly plain to see ... but, only in the moment.
I had asked KelvinG (not you) what sort of evidence might convince him that you knew what you were talking about. Are you suggesting that only something so extreme as re-animating a dead person would be enough to serve as evidence for your beliefs? If that is the case, why do you believe what you do? Have you seen the dead come back to life?Iacchus said:
If it does not take that to convince you, why assume it would take that to convince KelvinG? Why not wait to see what you might be asked to provide as proof?
Or, perhaps, just admit that you have no proof. You have your beliefs, based on your dreams and numerology, and you realize that those do not stand up to critical scrutiny. Or rather, those would not stand up to critical scrutiny, if you had the intellectual honesty to submit them to it.
I don't expect that, of course. I expect you to attempt once again to distract, or change the topic, or evade somehow, anything but actually examine your precious beliefs.
I would love for you to prove me wrong.
Is that what you really think? That is the only difference between your "book" and the peer-reviewed articles by experts in their fields? You think more of yourself than I would have guessed.Iacchus said:
Why? It is called improving. When we subject our ideas to critical scrutiny, and discard that which does not work (um...this is, by the way, a far cry from being "proven wrong"), we continually improve on our understanding of the phenomena in question. Contrast that with your book...it has never once been critically examined, and so has never been "proven wrong". It is more than merely inaccurate--it is utterly worthless. It would topple over in a light breeze.
What is more...could you please demonstrate that the experts actually are "proven wrong"? You are notorious for your avoidance of the scientific literature--how is it you are able to make this claim so strongly?
As for the rest of your post...you say nothing of substance, and do not address any of the questions. Not worth responding to it...
Since you folks don't believe in spirits, I would have to furnish a live body in order for you to talk to one. In which case it's not possible.Mercutio said:
If all you folks are looking for is proof of the physical, that's all you will find, is proof of the physical. This is the "blindfold" that you choose to wear.
If you maintain an open outlook in life, there should be no difficulty in proving it upon your death. If, on the other hand, you are completely resistant to the idea and, wholly sensual in your view, there will be no way to prove any such thing after you die, and you will continue to believe that you still exist in the material world.
Iacchus said:
Define “I†( for the billionth time)
Remember what I said, we do deal with a “physical reality†then recite 1000 times this “ reality is an illusion albeit a persistent one.- Albert Einstein
Wrong, self can be nothing other then JUST “self†and also unchanging for if it chances it was never self.
Willfulness/ pig-headedness often changes as you are now stubborn about things you were not stubborn about at 18 and 18 you were stubborn about things you would find silly now.
What is self is can not change, also your Willfulness/ pig-headedness is over a belief you have come to believe over the years due to external stimuli, events, other people etc even internal mind changing, so again NOT self.
Iacchus said:
Define "afterlife" define how or how Einstein did not believe in an "afterlife". Also please remember as a Buddhist I believe in no real death. Just a body I believe the mind is endlessNot created not destroyed .
Just what I believe.
Iacchus said:
I believe the body is little different then a suit, when it ages and dies the mind like energy ( I believe) simply moves on. We believe it is the ordinary state of mind the grasping, emotional, conditioned, obsessed mind. The mind that fears not being “I†“self†that move son. In Buddhism enlightenment means/fully awake. Awake to the true nature of mind the 'very subtle' here is a link that will help explain it better then I http://www.aboutbuddhism.org/Buddhism-beliefs.htm We believe when one sees though the cloud of the conditioned mind to the true nature of mind, an end of the cycle of rebirth and death and suffering. Nirvana is a “state of mind†not a physical place where I am for all time Mark Bertrand.
We believe when this state is attained there is no room for such worthless things as concepts, “self†cravings, attainment and so on, no needs no desires.
Easy there is no “soul†a soul would be a self, a thing in and of itself “ Marks soul†it could be nothing but just Mark, no such thing exists.
Please define “soulâ€.
much like dreaming. Nothing real, all illusion.
May I ask can you see how this is done? You ask me things and I answer. I ask you questions and you refuse to answer, I feel bad for you for that. You are really missing out and your goal of your beliefs, thoughts etc and how you are look upon suffer, I believe you are far better then that.
Share with others, try to stop telling people what to believe and instead exchange ideas and beliefs. You simply ( I believe) stop making and taking this so personal, you believe we are harming and disrespecting you buy not believing what you do and tell us to. You are causing your own suffering.
Just what I believe.