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The only Mythbuster's experiment I really had a problem with was the breakstep bridge myth. I think they built the bridge incorrectly (ends weren't secured so no resonance would setup).

I love the chicken gun one, because they got it wrong, revisted and corrected themselves. Plus, it's a chicken gun, how cool is that?
 
The only Mythbuster's experiment I really had a problem with was the breakstep bridge myth. I think they built the bridge incorrectly (ends weren't secured so no resonance would setup).

That's the one that I've had the most disagreement with, too. Those little soldiers they built weren't marching in unison very well. They were just sort of flopping around haphazardly. Kind of tough to build up any resonant vibrations that way.

One of my favorites was the recent Civil War Rocket episode. The big one they launched at the end looked like a cruise missile leaving its tube.

Steve S.
 
One myth that they confirmed really was a useful tidbit for cocktail conversation. They proved that a poppy seed bagel will give you a positive drug test for opiates.
 
Hell, the "cool beer down using ice water with salt in 5 minutes" episode was great. Plus they got to drink a lot of beer.

Sure their methodology isn't perfect... it's a freakin' TV show, not a science experiment. I'm sure they'd be the first to admit it.
 
Yeah. A tv show with a budget and time constraints should really cover every single possibility and have a perfect methodology in pursuit of blowing crap up.

You don't get the point of his post, though. A lot of skpetics like the show, ergo it's bad. Duh.
 
Hell, the "cool beer down using ice water with salt in 5 minutes" episode was great. Plus they got to drink a lot of beer.

Why do you need the salt? Is cooling beer to sub-32 degrees really that much better than cooling it to 32 degrees?

That's way too cold for beer in the first place.
 
Why do you need the salt? Is cooling beer to sub-32 degrees really that much better than cooling it to 32 degrees?

That's way too cold for beer in the first place.

The colder the water, the faster the heat transfer from the beer to the water. You just take it out before it gets that cold.
 
Why do you need the salt? Is cooling beer to sub-32 degrees really that much better than cooling it to 32 degrees?

That's way too cold for beer in the first place.
According to the show, that got it colder faster then any other methods. It was down to about 38 degrees in 5 minutes IIRC. I think they decided that anywhere from 35 to 40 degrees F was drinkable.

Just ice water took around 10 minutes. Ice took somewhat longer, and the refrigerator took over an hour.
 
If you melt ice by dissolving salt in it, it's melting point lowers, it absorbs heat as it changes states, and therefore makes whatever it's in contact with colder. If you've ever felt an aerosol can get colder as you spray it, it's basically the same thing, except that it's going from liquid to gas instead of solid to liquid. Another benefit of liquifying the ice is that it now has more surface contact with whatever you're trying to cool, so it cools faster. That's the way old-time ice cream makers work.
 
According to the show, that got it colder faster then any other methods. It was down to about 38 degrees in 5 minutes IIRC. I think they decided that anywhere from 35 to 40 degrees F was drinkable.

Yuck.

That's way too cold for beer.

I can buy the rate of cooling, I guess, but then you also have the question of when to take it out.

I used to have a student who used to try to use liquid nitrogen to cool his Dr. Pepper. It takes a lot less than 5 minutes to cool to 38, but 1) it does a lousy job of cooling (it is too rapid and you get frozen outsides and warm innards), and 2) if you waited too long, it freezes solid.

The best time was when I walked into the lab and saw a can of Dr. Pepper floating in the LN2 dewer. Solid as a rock. It was awesome.
 
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If you melt ice by dissolving salt in it, it's melting point lowers, it absorbs heat as it changes states, and therefore makes whatever it's in contact with colder. If you've ever felt an aerosol can get colder as you spray it, it's basically the same thing, except that it's going from liquid to gas instead of solid to liquid.

Not quite, although I won't pick too far because if you consider NaCl(soln) to be a different state than NaCl(s), then your original comment is not too much in error.


Another benefit of liquifying the ice is that it now has more surface contact with whatever you're trying to cool, so it cools faster. That's the way old-time ice cream makers work.

That doesn't answer my question. You aren't making ice-cream, which requires cooling the solution below its freezing point, you are chilling a beverage that you DON'T want to freeze.

The others have explained above that the lower temperature salt/ice water makes heat transfer faster, which I can buy, but the conclusions are based on the presumption that you want to chill to 38 degrees (which I don't think you want to do, myself), and that you know when to stop it.

In terms of my question, adding salt (which was what I asked about) does nothing to changes the contact of the surface area compared to non-salted icewater.

Personally, I think regular ice water is more than sufficient for this job, because you don't have to worry about leaving it in too long, and even if you take it out early, it is still in a more appropriate temperature range to drink.

I use regular ice water for my Mountain Dew all the time.
 
Look, the point is this:

You have a party, and you run out of beer; you run to the store and buy a few cases of warm beer. You come back to the party. What is the fastest way you can cool this beer and get it into the hands of your party goers before they start revolting?

The cheapest and easiest answer is icy salt water. But, you're right, regular ice water worked almost as well.
 
Look, the point is this:

You have a party, and you run out of beer; you run to the store and buy a few cases of warm beer. You come back to the party. What is the fastest way you can cool this beer and get it into the hands of your party goers before they start revolting?

The cheapest and easiest answer is icy salt water. But, you're right, regular ice water worked almost as well.

Did they include the time it took them to go to the cupboard and get the salt out and stir it into the icewater? And then the time it takes rinsing the beer container afterward to prevent the salt water from mixing with the beer?

If this the supposed problem, then plain icewater is just as good. Throw all your beer in an ice chest filled with water and leave it there.

And if you buy cold beer in the first place, it won't take but a jiff...

MY point is this: In the situation you describe, using salt doesn't help you enough to be worth the effort. Ice water alone is good enough.
 
MY point is this: In the situation you describe, using salt doesn't help you enough to be worth the effort. Ice water alone is good enough.

You asked why it worked. We told you. No one said it was the most practical method.
 
As I recall, the best method was a fire extinguisher. It wasn't practical, either. It also wasn't the point.
 

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