Oh, certainly. I was taking that as given. The only "communication" between Shine Sun and the ESLB's would be the timing bell/buzzer/gong signalling the start of a test (so they could do their "looking"). Otherwise, he and the ECLB's would remain out of their sight, with just the gap them between showing.Carn said:
Mysterious QiGong from China
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Shine Sun,
At a distance,
Can you kill someone by extracting his Qi ?
Or make him very very sick immediately, by extracting his Qi ?
If so, it would be good to arrange a single hard core skeptic to take part in the Qi Extraction experiment.
It would be very very convincing.
Since it is potentially fatal or harmful, the randomly selected skeptic need to sign a letter of indeminty.
I think JREF would probably not allow it due to the danger.
But then, to be able to participate in such an experiment really will benefit the skeptics. Even when he died, he would be "immortalised" down in history.
And if you managed to kill him, your notoriety would be potentially worth more than a simple million.
Sorry if I appear a little mad to suggest the above weird experiment.
But I'm really so frustrated that QiGong cannot be proven beyond doubt that it exist, and that it can be developed to be learned.
At a distance,
Can you kill someone by extracting his Qi ?
Or make him very very sick immediately, by extracting his Qi ?
If so, it would be good to arrange a single hard core skeptic to take part in the Qi Extraction experiment.
It would be very very convincing.
Since it is potentially fatal or harmful, the randomly selected skeptic need to sign a letter of indeminty.
I think JREF would probably not allow it due to the danger.
But then, to be able to participate in such an experiment really will benefit the skeptics. Even when he died, he would be "immortalised" down in history.
And if you managed to kill him, your notoriety would be potentially worth more than a simple million.
Sorry if I appear a little mad to suggest the above weird experiment.
But I'm really so frustrated that QiGong cannot be proven beyond doubt that it exist, and that it can be developed to be learned.
"Your other is a possibility however, projecting a "feeling". We give you a person's name selected at random from a "pool" of names. You send them the feeling. We ask each person if they had a "feeling" at the time you conducted the sending."
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Is this really an observable phenomenon? Couldn't the recipient say anything they wanted to say when asked, "How do you feel"?
I'm not sure that this is the best claim to test for SHINE SUN. I'm also unsure as to whether it can be tested under scientific conditions. Claims involving subjective phenomenon are a fuzzy matter, indeed.
Creating a band of light, however, would be easily verifiable, and we always try to suggest - to applicants that submit multiple claims - that they chose the one claim that is most easily demonstrated. But, as noted by a forum member herein, the light would have to be observable and undeniable, and, in fact, able to be videotaped. A light that only the recipient can see, or a "feeling" that only the recipient can sense, is hardly the type of proof JREF requires when looking for someone to give the million bucks to. After all, it IS a million bucks.
And as I have been emailing this potential applicant repeatedly, JREF does NOT care to have anything explained. The million bucks is offered for a successful demonstration, and is not awarded for nifty explanations, theories or hypothesis.
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Is this really an observable phenomenon? Couldn't the recipient say anything they wanted to say when asked, "How do you feel"?
I'm not sure that this is the best claim to test for SHINE SUN. I'm also unsure as to whether it can be tested under scientific conditions. Claims involving subjective phenomenon are a fuzzy matter, indeed.
Creating a band of light, however, would be easily verifiable, and we always try to suggest - to applicants that submit multiple claims - that they chose the one claim that is most easily demonstrated. But, as noted by a forum member herein, the light would have to be observable and undeniable, and, in fact, able to be videotaped. A light that only the recipient can see, or a "feeling" that only the recipient can sense, is hardly the type of proof JREF requires when looking for someone to give the million bucks to. After all, it IS a million bucks.
And as I have been emailing this potential applicant repeatedly, JREF does NOT care to have anything explained. The million bucks is offered for a successful demonstration, and is not awarded for nifty explanations, theories or hypothesis.
KRAMER said:
I think it is not necessary that the light band can be videotaped or seen by anyone.
If those, who have the ability to see the lightband, can, by just watching the area where the light band is supposed to be, without any way to observe Shine Sun via hearing, sight, smell,..., still accurately tell when Shine Sun is creating the light band and when not(which is determined randomly during test), it would have to be paranormal and is unexplainable(at least as far as i know) by science.
Do not require anything, that he is not claiming to be able to do.
Carn
If the claim is that, there exist an observable LIGHT band then there is no good reason to refrain from doing a video documentation.
If however, it is not real LIGHT but "light" band, then it ought to be place in quote to indicate that it is NOT real light.
Similarly many people claimed magnetic power. But they do not actually exhibit magnetism. They should claim "magnetic"-like ability.
A real Spoon-bending feat vs a "Spoon-Bending" feat which is just an illusion are different.
If however, it is not real LIGHT but "light" band, then it ought to be place in quote to indicate that it is NOT real light.
Similarly many people claimed magnetic power. But they do not actually exhibit magnetism. They should claim "magnetic"-like ability.
A real Spoon-bending feat vs a "Spoon-Bending" feat which is just an illusion are different.
Shine Sun said:
Those 2 underlined statements mean, that not everybody can see the "light band" or at least that some people have problems to see it (i guess for close minded disbelieving sceptics), but Shine Sun states that he can determine people, who can see the "light band".
Also since he claims to be able to create a light band up to 100 m long, i see no problem in him choosing some who should be able to see it, make sure those cannot see,... him or the "receivers", then randomly let Shine Sun randomly try to create a light band or not and let the "watchers" note, when they see something, they should score far above chance.
No need to have anything on video, this is more along the line of thelepathy, someone does something and others have to notice this.
Carn
The Color of Qi (Chi)
I think it is more feasible to do the test of the Long Distance Qi
Connection (LDQC) for the low cost. I think it is better to call it Long Distance Qi Connection than Long Distance Qi Transfer, because who will send the Qi to whom, it depends on who is more healthy for a certain part of body.
Although the distance from China to USA or France is too far, I also hope to do a trial. Who wish to be the first one? roger? I am sure it is safe. I have not yet the ability to injure anyone by QiGong. Reversely, it may be good for you, because some diseases were healed by this pattern.
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"Not sure your "light band" test is going to be a runner if only certain people can see the light band and have to "judge" the result. It needs to be self evident."
Yes, the risk is bigger comparatively. On Oct 3, I climbed a mountain in GuangDong province. There is a buddha temple on the mountain. I stood in front of the statues of 3 buddhas. I saw the Qi between me and the statues. There is also another statue, I could not sight any Qi, with which I saw before. Why do I see different buddhas at different time? I think the reasons are as follows:
1) Different buddhas "heals" different parts of human body. For example, Buddha called GuanYin "heals" chest. Buddha called MiLLe "heals" belly.
2) The Qi of human body varies at all time. Some time, your chest needs to be "healed", and at another time, your belly needs to be "healed".
So when your chest needs to be healed, and it happens you stand before the Buddha called GuanYin, then you may be easy to feel the healing. When your chest needs to be healed, and it happens you stand before the Buddha called MiLLe, then maybe you will feel nothing.
This is to say, the existence of Buddhas is true, I believe it. What about the God? I believe the existence of God is also true. And God is the highest, Why? God is able to heal any part of human body. The color of the Qi of certain Buddha is unable to change, but the color of the Qi of God will change according to the requirement of human body. The color of the Qi of different parts of human body are different, for example, the Qi of kidney is black, heart is red, lung is white, liver is purple, spleen is yellow.
That is why I believe God is the highest.
Generally, if someone have exercised QiGong or meditation, then he/she maybe easy to get the feeling or to see the light band. Is there any american monks or French monks or so on? I hope I can do the test with them.
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"Test 3:
There are two rooms, sonically shielded. You are in one. A umber of trials are run. To try to project or receive Qi from the person in the second room. After how ever much time you need, you feel the Qi, and say a person is in the room, or don't feel the Qi, and say no person is in the room. Before each trial starts, a random number generator decides whether there should be a person in the room or not. If you can detect a person in that room above chance level, then you have proved your claim."
Test 3, it was recorded in some books. There is one time, indeed, I saw a girl in another room. But I believe I am unable to do it each time.
I think it is more feasible to do the test of the Long Distance Qi
Connection (LDQC) for the low cost. I think it is better to call it Long Distance Qi Connection than Long Distance Qi Transfer, because who will send the Qi to whom, it depends on who is more healthy for a certain part of body.
Although the distance from China to USA or France is too far, I also hope to do a trial. Who wish to be the first one? roger? I am sure it is safe. I have not yet the ability to injure anyone by QiGong. Reversely, it may be good for you, because some diseases were healed by this pattern.
Quote:
"Not sure your "light band" test is going to be a runner if only certain people can see the light band and have to "judge" the result. It needs to be self evident."
Yes, the risk is bigger comparatively. On Oct 3, I climbed a mountain in GuangDong province. There is a buddha temple on the mountain. I stood in front of the statues of 3 buddhas. I saw the Qi between me and the statues. There is also another statue, I could not sight any Qi, with which I saw before. Why do I see different buddhas at different time? I think the reasons are as follows:
1) Different buddhas "heals" different parts of human body. For example, Buddha called GuanYin "heals" chest. Buddha called MiLLe "heals" belly.
2) The Qi of human body varies at all time. Some time, your chest needs to be "healed", and at another time, your belly needs to be "healed".
So when your chest needs to be healed, and it happens you stand before the Buddha called GuanYin, then you may be easy to feel the healing. When your chest needs to be healed, and it happens you stand before the Buddha called MiLLe, then maybe you will feel nothing.
This is to say, the existence of Buddhas is true, I believe it. What about the God? I believe the existence of God is also true. And God is the highest, Why? God is able to heal any part of human body. The color of the Qi of certain Buddha is unable to change, but the color of the Qi of God will change according to the requirement of human body. The color of the Qi of different parts of human body are different, for example, the Qi of kidney is black, heart is red, lung is white, liver is purple, spleen is yellow.
That is why I believe God is the highest.
Generally, if someone have exercised QiGong or meditation, then he/she maybe easy to get the feeling or to see the light band. Is there any american monks or French monks or so on? I hope I can do the test with them.
Quote:
"Test 3:
There are two rooms, sonically shielded. You are in one. A umber of trials are run. To try to project or receive Qi from the person in the second room. After how ever much time you need, you feel the Qi, and say a person is in the room, or don't feel the Qi, and say no person is in the room. Before each trial starts, a random number generator decides whether there should be a person in the room or not. If you can detect a person in that room above chance level, then you have proved your claim."
Test 3, it was recorded in some books. There is one time, indeed, I saw a girl in another room. But I believe I am unable to do it each time.
Re: The Color of Qi (Chi)
But you are aware that you can perform test 2 at home with a couple of friends, a coin to flip, two thick pieces of cloth keeping the ESLBs from seeing you or the ECLB and a radio creating enough background noice to keep ESLBs from hearing your breathing or body movements?
You do not need more for the simple test, that will prove whether you have a chance to pass test 2 under JREF observation and that waay know whether its worth to risk some money to get such test set up.
Carn
Shine Sun said:
But you are aware that you can perform test 2 at home with a couple of friends, a coin to flip, two thick pieces of cloth keeping the ESLBs from seeing you or the ECLB and a radio creating enough background noice to keep ESLBs from hearing your breathing or body movements?
You do not need more for the simple test, that will prove whether you have a chance to pass test 2 under JREF observation and that waay know whether its worth to risk some money to get such test set up.
Carn
Oy Vay.
I'm not the final arbiter of what would and wouldn't qualify as "proof" for this case, but I would think that this entire notion of "a light that only some people can detect", is a bunch of BS.
If SHINE SUN claims he/she can produce a band of light, it should be evident to anyone with eyesight, and recordable.
A demonstration of such would qualify for the Challenge.
I'm not the final arbiter of what would and wouldn't qualify as "proof" for this case, but I would think that this entire notion of "a light that only some people can detect", is a bunch of BS.
If SHINE SUN claims he/she can produce a band of light, it should be evident to anyone with eyesight, and recordable.
A demonstration of such would qualify for the Challenge.
The posts that Shinesun posts are getting increasingly long, and with too much irrelevant bs. Can we just get a straight forward claim that you can do something incredible, apply, and win the million bucks. I don't really care if Buddha or God exists or not.
Save me from straining my eyes too much. Thx.
Save me from straining my eyes too much. Thx.
God will be demonstrated step by step
Carn:
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quote:
"But you are aware that you can perform test 2 at home with a couple of friends, a coin to flip, two thick pieces of cloth keeping the ESLBs from seeing you or the ECLB and a radio creating enough background noice to keep ESLBs from hearing your breathing or body movements?
You do not need more for the simple test, that will prove whether you have a chance to pass test 2 under JREF observation and that way know whether its worth to risk some money to get such test set up."
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Yes, I did it with some friends. Only a small portion of people can sight the light band. The result conflicts with KRAMER's thought. That is the problem, that is why I don't do any application until now. KRAMER's thought is as follows:
If SHINE SUN claims he/she can produce a band of light, it should be evident to anyone with eyesight, and recordable.
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sf108:
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"Save me from straining my eyes too much."
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I am sure I am unable to heal your eyes. But I would like to do a test and manage to have you get some feelings. Certainly, I need your approval.
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Jyera:
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quote:
"Can you kill someone by extracting his Qi ?
Or make him very very sick immediately, by extracting his Qi ?"
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I am unable to kill anyone by extracting Qi, especially by Long Distance Qi Connection. I said, the Qi exchange depends on who is more healthy. If your health is very bad and you can do Qi connection, then you can have other people to get disease or death. This kind of feat is recorded in some books but I have not it. Because the bad health, so I think the long distance Qi connection is unfeasible.
I think it would also be "immortalized" if I can do Long Distance Qi Connection with the people all over the world.
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KRAMER
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quote:
"Is this really an observable phenomenon? Couldn't the recipient say anything they wanted to say when asked, "How do you feel"?
I'm not sure that this is the best claim to test for SHINE SUN. I'm also unsure as to whether it can be tested under scientific conditions. Claims involving subjective phenomenon are a fuzzy matter, indeed.
Creating a band of light, however, would be easily verifiable, and we always try to suggest - to applicants that submit multiple claims - that they chose the one claim that is most easily demonstrated. But, as noted by a forum member herein, the light would have to be observable and undeniable, and, in fact, able to be videotaped. A light that only the recipient can see, or a "feeling" that only the recipient can sense, is hardly the type of proof JREF requires when looking for someone to give the million bucks to. After all, it IS a million bucks.
And as I have been emailing this potential applicant repeatedly, JREF does NOT care to have anything explained. The million bucks is offered for a successful demonstration, and is not awarded for nifty explanations, theories or hypothesis."
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Yes, I understand your meaning, so I don't do any application. I am looking for an objective method to demonstrate paranormal ability.
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Jyera:
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quote:
"If the claim is that, there exist an observable LIGHT band then there is no good reason to refrain from doing a video documentation.
If however, it is not real LIGHT but "light" band, then it ought to be place in quote to indicate that it is NOT real light.
Similarly many people claimed magnetic power. But they do not actually exhibit magnetism. They should claim "magnetic"-like ability.
A real Spoon-bending feat vs a "Spoon-Bending" feat which is just an illusion are different."
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I think it is real light, but out of frequency range of observable light. Did you hear the word of Heaven Eye in the middle of two real eyes, up a little? I think the light band was sighted by Heaven Eye. The God was also sighted by Heaven Eye of mankind.
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After all, I want to do some trials of Long Distance Qi Connection firstly. If success, I hope I can do some trials with Randi and Kramer. Million bucks will be got step by step. God will be demonstrated step by step.
Carn:
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quote:
"But you are aware that you can perform test 2 at home with a couple of friends, a coin to flip, two thick pieces of cloth keeping the ESLBs from seeing you or the ECLB and a radio creating enough background noice to keep ESLBs from hearing your breathing or body movements?
You do not need more for the simple test, that will prove whether you have a chance to pass test 2 under JREF observation and that way know whether its worth to risk some money to get such test set up."
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Yes, I did it with some friends. Only a small portion of people can sight the light band. The result conflicts with KRAMER's thought. That is the problem, that is why I don't do any application until now. KRAMER's thought is as follows:
If SHINE SUN claims he/she can produce a band of light, it should be evident to anyone with eyesight, and recordable.
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sf108:
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quote:
"Save me from straining my eyes too much."
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I am sure I am unable to heal your eyes. But I would like to do a test and manage to have you get some feelings. Certainly, I need your approval.
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Jyera:
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quote:
"Can you kill someone by extracting his Qi ?
Or make him very very sick immediately, by extracting his Qi ?"
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I am unable to kill anyone by extracting Qi, especially by Long Distance Qi Connection. I said, the Qi exchange depends on who is more healthy. If your health is very bad and you can do Qi connection, then you can have other people to get disease or death. This kind of feat is recorded in some books but I have not it. Because the bad health, so I think the long distance Qi connection is unfeasible.
I think it would also be "immortalized" if I can do Long Distance Qi Connection with the people all over the world.
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KRAMER
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quote:
"Is this really an observable phenomenon? Couldn't the recipient say anything they wanted to say when asked, "How do you feel"?
I'm not sure that this is the best claim to test for SHINE SUN. I'm also unsure as to whether it can be tested under scientific conditions. Claims involving subjective phenomenon are a fuzzy matter, indeed.
Creating a band of light, however, would be easily verifiable, and we always try to suggest - to applicants that submit multiple claims - that they chose the one claim that is most easily demonstrated. But, as noted by a forum member herein, the light would have to be observable and undeniable, and, in fact, able to be videotaped. A light that only the recipient can see, or a "feeling" that only the recipient can sense, is hardly the type of proof JREF requires when looking for someone to give the million bucks to. After all, it IS a million bucks.
And as I have been emailing this potential applicant repeatedly, JREF does NOT care to have anything explained. The million bucks is offered for a successful demonstration, and is not awarded for nifty explanations, theories or hypothesis."
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Yes, I understand your meaning, so I don't do any application. I am looking for an objective method to demonstrate paranormal ability.
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Jyera:
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quote:
"If the claim is that, there exist an observable LIGHT band then there is no good reason to refrain from doing a video documentation.
If however, it is not real LIGHT but "light" band, then it ought to be place in quote to indicate that it is NOT real light.
Similarly many people claimed magnetic power. But they do not actually exhibit magnetism. They should claim "magnetic"-like ability.
A real Spoon-bending feat vs a "Spoon-Bending" feat which is just an illusion are different."
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I think it is real light, but out of frequency range of observable light. Did you hear the word of Heaven Eye in the middle of two real eyes, up a little? I think the light band was sighted by Heaven Eye. The God was also sighted by Heaven Eye of mankind.
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After all, I want to do some trials of Long Distance Qi Connection firstly. If success, I hope I can do some trials with Randi and Kramer. Million bucks will be got step by step. God will be demonstrated step by step.
Re: God will be demonstrated step by step
What was the result?
Please!?!?
And how did you exactly perform the test, e.g. distance you tried to create light band, position of receiver and observers, measures that kept your friends from seeing, hearing you?
Carn
Shine Sun said:
What was the result?
Please!?!?
And how did you exactly perform the test, e.g. distance you tried to create light band, position of receiver and observers, measures that kept your friends from seeing, hearing you?
Carn