My Struggle

[Wellfed]

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Up until that post yesterday, I was really giving you every benefit of the doubt, but that's where you lost me. And now today we have a different excuse for why you didn't do the tests, ie. Kramer upset you when he knew you were about to test.

Thanks, I believe I deserve the benefit of the doubt, I seriously do. BTW, my comments that you refer to weren't a different excuse, they amounted to additional reasons that didn't pertain to the, two specific, publicly promised plans to test myself. Actually, Kramer's shenanigans were the sole reason I aborted the two publicly promised tests.

I've been careful to read everything you and Kramer have posted and have really tried not to take sides, but I think that it's reached a point where your really need to leave this be for a while, because you are not being honest with yourself.

I am quite honest with myself. I am also quite honest with others.

I really do wish you the best and I hope that you do get your shot at the challenge. I'll look forward to seeing how your own testing and hopefully your new challenge application progress. Good luck to you.

Thank you for the good will, it is most sincerely appreciated. Can you tell my what you think about JREF's grounds for rejecting my claim?

Respectfully

 

[Wellfed]

Having reviewed the emails you posted, I found nothing that alters my perspective on the situation. In fact, recent public exchanges by you here in this forum reinforced my views.

Do you honestly view lying as acceptable practice?

 

[Wellfed]

Good evening Wellfed.

Good evening.

I also have been following this from the begining. I am having serious doubts as to why exactly you decided to apply for the challenge to beging with. It seems, to me at least, that you had no intentions of following this through at all.
What exactly is the point of this badly put together thread?

I was challenged into applying. Since I believe under customary listening conditions I can prove my claim, why not. This thread serves the purpose of providing the complete record of the email communications between JREF and myself.

Once again, to me, at least, it seems that you are doing what ever you can to grab some attention.
Perhaps I am wrong. Your application has been rejected for reasons we all see. Agree with them or not, but it is over. Move on to another subject. There are plenty here on the JREF. I am sure that you have things to contribute. It's time to move on, don't you think? You realize that you can get yourself together and reapply next year. If you are serious, you can be better prepared. Who knows, maybe some time in the next year you might be able to spend a few hours to conduct a test on your own? Although I admit I'm not a big fan of that. With your bias you just might missconfirm a belief you already have.
Anyway, thanks for you participation in the challenge. Sorry it didn't work out. Better luck next time. Hopefully see you on other topics. What about those wooden knobs with special shalack that makes a stereo sound better?
JPK

As I mentioned earlier, appearances can be deceiving, I actually have disdain for the attention this process has wrought. I can't for the life of me see what the reason was for my claims rejection. Did I miss something in the THE TWELVE OFFICIAL RULES GOVERNING THE JREF CHALLENGE. Tell me what you, and others, see. These official rules make no provision for Kramer to make up additional rules. The only provision I see is for them to no longer view an applicant as being an applicant if any of the 12 rules are broken by the applicant while the applicant is still an applicant.

I was, and am, prepared in terms of the skills required to successfully prove my claim.

I don't know anything about the performance of the shellacked knobs. I know of people that respect the company, and its proprietor, that brought these to market. I've never tried any of their products personally.

Thanks for the invite to hang around. I have actually quite enjoyed the JREF Forum aspect of my generally dismal JREF experience.

 

[SpaceFluffer]

I just read through all of the correspondence (the fact that every post is repeated several times was especially painful, thank you). This reread gave me the same impression that I had gained from following the discussion as it occurred in the first place. That is, that Michael began to obfuscate the issue at every opportunity once a protocol began to solidify. If this chip really worked, it would be extremely simple to demonstrate this to someone, even if this someone wouldn't give you every little comfort that you wanted.

The one thing I can't decide upon is whether Michael is deliberately making things complicated because he aimed to try to win the prize via surrepticious methods, or whether he's just a pugnacious bohemian who acts like a bratty kid when he doesn't get what he wants. I would bank on the latter, if only because I don't credit him with the intelligence that the former explanation would require.

Oh, and 'My Struggle'? Tres pretentious.

 

[Sherman Bay]

Since I believe under customary listening conditions I can prove my claim...

Under customary viewing conditions, I can levitate, materialize a rabbit out of nothing, or amaze one and all by doing the impossible.

I might be able to make monkeys fly out of my ass, too, but I need some practice on this one.

But I'm smart enough to know that I wouldn't be able to perform satisfactorily to win the Challenge because {gasp!} I rely on tricks.

My tricks are imposed on a willing audience. Your tricks are inflicted on your own willing self. Yet you appear unable or unwilling to admit or verify what is really going on.

Nothing Kramer or Randi has ever said prevents you from testing yourself, yet you refuse or give excuses. If you can pass your own, simple, double-blind test, come back and reapply. We'll be willing and waiting.

 

[jmercer]

Do you honestly view lying as acceptable practice?

No.

However, you have failed to show anyone at JREF was lying to you as you claimed they were. There were some poorly worded communications, some miscommunications and some impatient - perhaps even rude - exchanges - but that is all.

There are credible outspoken critics of JREF in these forums. There are also credible people here who are particularly critical of Kramer in a vocal way as well. If you showed Kramer or JREF to be lying, they would be all over it in a heartbeat. The posts in these forums would skyrocket beyond belief, and you would find yourself championed by many.

This is not happening because - regardless of how they feel about Kramer and JREF's demeanor toward applicants - the critics can see there were no lies involved on Kramer's or JREF's part.

NOT ONE PERSON HAS AGREED WITH YOUR CLAIM ABOUT KRAMER'S LYING.

You are dissembling to protect yourself, sir, and falsely maligning others to do so. Rather than justifying your position, your actions are having the exact opposite effect you had hoped for.

 

[Bronze Dog]

Under customary viewing conditions, I can levitate, materialize a rabbit out of nothing, or amaze one and all by doing the impossible.

I might be able to make monkeys fly out of my ass, too, but I need some practice on this one.

But I'm smart enough to know that I wouldn't be able to perform satisfactorily to win the Challenge because {gasp!} I rely on tricks.

My tricks are imposed on a willing audience. Your tricks are inflicted on your own willing self. Yet you appear unable or unwilling to admit or verify what is really going on.

Nothing Kramer or Randi has ever said prevents you from testing yourself, yet you refuse or give excuses. If you can pass your own, simple, double-blind test, come back and reapply. We'll be willing and waiting.

Well said. If people bothered to think about magicians and "customary viewing conditions", then psychics would be a lot less impressive. I suspect that's one reason I've never been impressed by one: I've seen a fair number of magic tricks.

Point remains, Wellfed: Do your own DBT. If I were going for the million, I'd do my own DBT before applying. I'd probably even ask for advice on setting it up. The fact that you haven't done your own DBT suggests only that you're trying to deceive us and/or yourself. Failing your own DBT would destroy your fantasy. That's why I suspect you don't do it.

 

[Beleth]

I am not a big fan of making private communication public without the consent of both sides. Therefore I will not be reading the OP in this thread until KRAMER:

1) expresses his consent to have his private correspondence published like this
2) agrees that that was exactly what was said in private, in the order it was said.

Now KRAMER may have already done the first one, and I missed it in the "Audio Critic" thread somewhere. I'm pretty sure that he has not done the second one anywhere yet.

Since I haven't read the OP, I cannot comment on it. I can only stand by my meta-analysis of the Challenge process which I posted in the "Audio Critic" thread.

 

[Perpetual Notion]

Thank you for the good will, it is most sincerely appreciated. Can you tell my what you think about JREF's grounds for rejecting my claim?

Respectfully

I think that it is their challenge and that they have a right to administer it as they see fit. I can understand why they would want to put an end to negotiations if they feel that they are being led on a wild goose chase as they have been hundreds of times before, whether you believe that to be true or not.

The fact that you are continuing to accuse KRAMER of lying and they are still willing to let you reapply and be tested speaks well of them. There are other applicants who have had their applications thrown out for much the same reasons with no invitation to reapply. I would consider myself lucky that an opportunity to win a million dollars was still available to me and I would use the time to regroup and do my own dbts as often as possible.

 

[Wellfed]

Under customary viewing conditions, I can levitate, materialize a rabbit out of nothing, or amaze one and all by doing the impossible.

I might be able to make monkeys fly out of my ass, too, but I need some practice on this one.

But I'm smart enough to know that I wouldn't be able to perform satisfactorily to win the Challenge because {gasp!} I rely on tricks.

My tricks are imposed on a willing audience. Your tricks are inflicted on your own willing self. Yet you appear unable or unwilling to admit or verify what is really going on.

Nothing Kramer or Randi has ever said prevents you from testing yourself, yet you refuse or give excuses. If you can pass your own, simple, double-blind test, come back and reapply. We'll be willing and waiting.

Bullsh****t Sherman.

Edited by Darat: 

Edited for breach of Rule 8.

This is your last warning regarding a breach of Rule 8, any further breaches will result in an immediate 3 day suspension.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Darat

 

[Wellfed]

I am not a big fan of making private communication public without the consent of both sides. Therefore I will not be reading the OP in this thread until KRAMER:

1) expresses his consent to have his private correspondence published like this
2) agrees that that was exactly what was said in private, in the order it was said.

Now KRAMER may have already done the first one, and I missed it in the "Audio Critic" thread somewhere. I'm pretty sure that he has not done the second one anywhere yet.

Since I haven't read the OP, I cannot comment on it. I can only stand by my meta-analysis of the Challenge process which I posted in the "Audio Critic" thread.

Kramer gives his consent, look near the bottom. Can you point me to your analysis? I am not sure I read it. Thank you.

 

[Wellfed]

I think that it is their challenge and that they have a right to administer it as they see fit.

You mean to say unilateral bullsh[/B]t is suitable administration? OK

I can understand why they would want to put an end to negotiations if they feel that they are being led on a wild goose chase as they have been hundreds of times before, whether you believe that to be true or not.

Perhaps they should just close their doors then.

The fact that you are continuing to accuse KRAMER of lying and they are still willing to let you reapply and be tested speaks well of them. There are other applicants who have had their applications thrown out for much the same reasons with no invitation to reapply. I would consider myself lucky that an opportunity to win a million dollars was still available to me and I would use the time to regroup and do my own dbts as often as possible.

Where does this regroup idea come from? JREF dealt with me in bad faith, I suspended the negotiations as I said I would, Kramer closed my file as he said he would. I want to be tested, JREF doesn't want me to be tested. The reason this Challenge isn't going to test is because JREF won't allow it to, plain and simple.

 

[Beleth]

Kramer gives his consent, look near the bottom.

I'm glad to hear that. So as soon as KRAMER agrees that that is indeed the sequential truth, whole truth, and nothing but the truth, I will read it and give an opinion.

Can you point me to your analysis? I am not sure I read it.

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=1870880701#post1870880701, starting at the "After seeing how KRAMER works" part. I believe you replied to it five posts further down.

 

[-42-]

The reason this Challenge isn't going to test is because JREF won't allow it to, plain and simple.

Pretty amusing. I know this is probably wasted, but oh well...



1. You threaten to suspend things until October.
2. Kramer threatens to close your claim. Naturally, this is what you wanted to happen, so:
3. You carried through on your threat.
4. Kramer then closes your file.
5. You cry foul play.

You got your 'out'. Congratulations. Stop trying to make it seem like something that it is not and dissapear.

I've said this before, and I'll say it again, if at any point you REALLY began to doubt your ability (as I'm sure you have, though maybe not to the extent I've indicated) if you actually said "I'm starting to doubt if I can do it based on what everyone is saying. I will need to test myself just to make sure"

After that, if you tested yourself DBT and it turned out correct, You'd have a boost of confidence and experience in helping to iron down a protocol and familiarity with the process.

After that, if you tested yourself DBT and it turend out you were not correct, You could report that and bow out gracefully. This would earn you immense respect, I assure you, as we have all seen the alternative quite frequently: hem and haw, waffle, threaten, delay, stall and escape.

I suspect quite a while ago you began to doubt your ability. You wanted to get out, so sought out to try the patience of JREF with every 'condition' and vanity that you could think of, also arguing about things that had nothing whatsoever to do with what you claimed you could. (ie: Seeing the system, seeing the CDs, etc) This is what your 'e-mail record' really shows.

If JREF didn't want to test you, they would have simply denied your claim at the outset, since it was the device in question that was really being tested.

They choose to simply look at it like you had a parnormal ability to hear the difference, such as ESP, Remote Viewing or "magic ears", because anyone with half a skull knows the chip does absolutly nothing. The reason they did this, was they would LOVE to test this. -- Which is exactly why LA stepped up when you went through your 'out process'.

Now, Suddenly, when the claim has been rejected you state you are READY to test! You've done your own trials successfully!!!! You've almost got a protocol hammered out! You were soooo close but JREF got scared they would lose their Million and lied to you, everyone else, then shut you down.

I'm sure virtually everyone reading this doesn't believe it, so it's a waste of breath. I, like many others, had the utmost respect for you at the onset and your apparent willingness to be tested and work in a timely matter.

It is also a very simple claim to test, and we were certain protocol negotions would take no time at all since you could easily tell the difference.

Besides, if ***YOU*** Delayed things until October, what's the big deal about waiting 6 more months or so? Do whatever you had to do between now and October, only twice as well.


At this point, I'm sure this will be lost to you, but here is my suggestion.

1. If your DBTs are successful, post the method that you used and the results.

2. If you fail a DBT, don't just throw it out. Include that too. Don't delude yourself by deciding, oh, I just wasn't in my right state of mind to listen, when you do fail. Even if you do fail one trial, if you post like 10 more all successes then maybe something was wrong with the test, right?

3. If you pass, ask for help in tightening up the protocol.

4. Repeat this process. Passing the DBTs will increase your confidence of your paranormal ability and Failing the DBTs may very well educate you to how powerful a delusion or expectations can be.

 

[Wellfed]

I'm glad to hear that. So as soon as KRAMER agrees that that is indeed the sequential truth, whole truth, and nothing but the truth, I will read it and give an opinion.


http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=1870880701#post1870880701, starting at the "After seeing how KRAMER works" part. I believe you replied to it five posts further down.

Thanks Beleth, do you have any reason to believe that Kramer will even take the time agree that my export is accurate? Speaking of truth; don't get me started.

I really do hope you take the time to analyze the matter. It will presumably require checking the JREF Forum record at the same times to see the true picture. If you do take the time please keep an open eye to see if I have waffled as this seems to be the general perception. I don't believe this is the case at all. I will say that once I saw what I was dealing with here, my own perception of what the testing environment needed to account for in order for me to be successful. There seems to be a perception too that I waffled on test dates. I don't see it this way at all. I did suggest some earlier dates than I was entirely comfortable with in a spirit of compromise. I am eager to see how you view the matter.

I simply dumped the correspondence in its entirety with some edits deemed necessary for privacy. There is significant redundency, but this does have the benefit of providing the full context of the correspondence. Your efforts on behalf of truth are most appreciated.

 

[-42-]

Btw, the main "Lied" part he is referring to is his "conditions" appended on the end of the Howard protocol. Such as tube failure, etc etc etc etc

The protocol was accepted, as is, by JREF but Welfred himself did not accept it when he sent it. (absurd?) He had additional conditions.

Welfred submitted a protocol that he himself did not agree to, which is just silly to start with. He should had changed the protocol to meet his conditions and then submit it instead of expecting JREF to do his work of modifying the protocol to include his vanities. That's his job, not JREFs.

After this is when he first started his "incomplete email posting" speel and ran off on that tangent of lying (which is a big difference from them simply accepting a protocol that was submitted)

All he had to do was point out that he submitted a protocol that he did not agree to, point out his conditions and re-submit a protocol that catered to those conditions and vanities and see if that would be accepted.

He later did this, so the main "lied" part is out the window.

 

[Wellfed]

Pretty amusing. I know this is probably wasted, but oh well...

I don't find any of my JREF experience amusing.

1. You threaten to suspend things until October.

I think "warn" would be a better word choice.

2. Kramer threatens to close your claim. Naturally, this is what you wanted to happen, so:

Naturally.

3. You carried through on your threat.

My "threat" was conditional. Kramer met the condition. I was actually quite surprised by the brazen manner in which he did this.

4. Kramer then closes your file.

Naturally, he had quite the "out", perhaps this is the famous "out" that JREF is claimed to possess.

5. You cry foul play.

Duh, lying IS foul play.

You got your 'out'. Congratulations. Stop trying to make it seem like something that it is not and dissapear.

Wow!

If Kramer would one day offer you some Kool-Aid, run far, and run fast, he has you under his spell.

I've said this before, and I'll say it again, if at any point you REALLY began to doubt your ability (as I'm sure you have, though maybe not to the extent I've indicated) if you actually said "I'm starting to doubt if I can do it based on what everyone is saying. I will need to test myself just to make sure"

I am actually honest enough and humble enough to do just that. I haven't done it because I don't doubt it. I am wise enough to know that the I would fail the testing without the proper conditions. I was looking to close every escape portal possible.

After that, if you tested yourself DBT and it turned out correct, You'd have a boost of confidence and experience in helping to iron down a protocol and familiarity with the process.

After that, if you tested yourself DBT and it turend out you were not correct, You could report that and bow out gracefully. This would earn you immense respect, I assure you, as we have all seen the alternative quite frequently: hem and haw, waffle, threaten, delay, stall and escape.

Here is where I think specifics, supportable by the record, are important to the discussion. You are only talking out of your rear end without them.

I suspect quite a while ago you began to doubt your ability. You wanted to get out, so sought out to try the patience of JREF with every 'condition' and vanity that you could think of, also arguing about things that had nothing whatsoever to do with what you claimed you could. (ie: Seeing the system, seeing the CDs, etc) This is what your 'e-mail record' really shows.

I have no need to see my system. My eyes would be closed during the bulk of the listening. My requirement that an observer not be in my line of sight to the system dealt with the issue of distraction. The only thing I believe that would hinder me from proving my claim are agitations and distractions. We are all entitled to our suspicions, I have a number of my own.

If JREF didn't want to test you, they would have simply denied your claim at the outset, since it was the device in question that was really being tested.

Very true, they very well could have not accepted my application. The reality is they did. They even "said" they were thrilled to do so. Perhaps they were at the time. Apply your powers of suspicion to this matter and let me know what you think. Me/GSIC/Me is an issue that JREF has waffled on.

They choose to simply look at it like you had a parnormal ability to hear the difference, such as ESP, Remote Viewing or "magic ears", because anyone with half a skull knows the chip does absolutly nothing. The reason they did this, was they would LOVE to test this. -- Which is exactly why LA stepped up when you went through your 'out process'.

Without the proper conditions in place, the test would be a farce, me, LostAngeles, anyone.

Now, Suddenly, when the claim has been rejected you state you are READY to test! You've done your own trials successfully!!!! You've almost got a protocol hammered out! You were soooo close but JREF got scared they would lose their Million and lied to you, everyone else, then shut you down.

My readiness is a matter of public record. I was ready when I submitted my original protocol. I became unready after crappy protocol negotiations. I declared very early on that I wanted 3 months after the protocol was set in stone to allow my peace of mind to return. I understand this, you and others don't. It is my claim, not yours. I don't claim to be able to detect a difference shortly after negotiations with a snake in the grass. It simply is not my claim.

I'm sure virtually everyone reading this doesn't believe it, so it's a waste of breath. I, like many others, had the utmost respect for you at the onset and your apparent willingness to be tested and work in a timely matter.

I don't have any way to know the reason JREF chose to act dishonorably. Inferences are quite common around here. Inferences are not always accurate.

It is also a very simple claim to test, and we were certain protocol negotions would take no time at all since you could easily tell the difference.

Apparently JREF couldn't agree to a suitable protocol, so why do you assume it to be simple? Where did you get the idea that I could easily tell the difference? This seems to be another faulty inference issue.

Besides, if ***YOU*** Delayed things until October, what's the big deal about waiting 6 more months or so? Do whatever you had to do between now and October, only twice as well.

I would LOVE to be tested under proper conditions.

At this point, I'm sure this will be lost to you, but here is my suggestion.

1. If your DBTs are successful, post the method that you used and the results.

2. If you fail a DBT, don't just throw it out. Include that too. Don't delude yourself by deciding, oh, I just wasn't in my right state of mind to listen, when you do fail. Even if you do fail one trial, if you post like 10 more all successes then maybe something was wrong with the test, right?

3. If you pass, ask for help in tightening up the protocol.

4. Repeat this process. Passing the DBTs will increase your confidence of your paranormal ability and Failing the DBTs may very well educate you to how powerful a delusion or expectations can be.

I appreciate your tone and perspective with this last section. I do believe the placebo effect to be a valid phenomenon. It simply doesn't explain everything, there is reality in this world, the GSIC is reality, I am quite willing to be tested, this hasn't changed since the day I agreed to do so at Audio Asylum. Actually I am now becoming insistent that I be tested, I believe very strongly that the Randi Challenge IS a complete farce if I am not allowed to do so under reasonable and customary conditions. I have negotiated faithfully with JREF, they have not negotiated faithfully with me. This is the simple truth. Hopefully Beleth, or another sincere truth seeker, will take the time to investigate the matter carefully.

 

[Wellfed]

Btw, the main "Lied" part he is referring to is his "conditions" appended on the end of the Howard protocol. Such as tube failure, etc etc etc etc

The protocol was accepted, as is, by JREF but Welfred himself did not accept it when he sent it. (absurd?) He had additional conditions.

Welfred submitted a protocol that he himself did not agree to, which is just silly to start with. He should had changed the protocol to meet his conditions and then submit it instead of expecting JREF to do his work of modifying the protocol to include his vanities. That's his job, not JREFs.

After this is when he first started his "incomplete email posting" speel and ran off on that tangent of lying (which is a big difference from them simply accepting a protocol that was submitted)

All he had to do was point out that he submitted a protocol that he did not agree to, point out his conditions and re-submit a protocol that catered to those conditions and vanities and see if that would be accepted.

He later did this, so the main "lied" part is out the window.

You haven't followed along closely enough to speak intelligently to the matter apparently. Back on ignore you go.

 

[Gulliver]

Olive Branch

I believe that the purpose of JREF is education. I believe that many of us volunteer our time here is the effort to educate others.

To this end, I offer the following to Wellfed.

You will go to Amazom.com.

You will choose ten audio CDs that you'd like to own and would be willing to listen to within a seven-day period. You may choose the same title as many times as you'd like. Please limit my cost to $400.

You will post the list with ISBNs here in this thread.

I will purchase a copy of each and have them sent to my home.

I will purchase a GSIC-10 and have it sent to my home.

I will purchase a new Gameboy cartridge from Amazon.

I will have my elder son video record the selection and treatment process. I will mail you the original video tape at the conclusion of the trial.

I will start the recording of the trial with the boxes from Amazon and the GSIC vendor unopened on the table.

I will set up our kitchen table with a die, the bottoms of two empty shoe boxes, a CD player plugged into the wall outlet, a pair of scissors, and a permanent marker.

I will open the boxes. There will be ten CDs and two chips.

For each disc:
I will open the CD.
Label the CD 1 to 10, serially.
I will step out of the room, in such a way that I will not be able to see (or hear) what happens in the kitchen.

My younger son will roll the die.

If the number on the die is odd, my younger son will place the Gameboy cartridge in the plastic container and place it under the inverted bottom of the first shoebox, more than two feet from the player. He will place the GSIC chip on the player and then cover the GCIS chip with the inverted bottom of the second shoebox.

If the number is even, my younger son will place the GCIS chip in the plastic container and place it under the inverted bottom of the first shoebox, more than two feet from the player. He will place the Gameboy cartridge on the player and then cover the Gameboy cartridge with the inverted bottom of the second shoebox.

No one, but the camera, will record the result.

My younger son will call me back into the kitchen when he has completed the task.

I will insert the disc into the player.

I will press play and wait for two seconds.

I will press stop and eject the disc.

I will return the disc to its holder and set it aside, but still on the table.

End of steps for each disc.

I will package the 10 discs and FedEx them to you. (You will need to PM me with the address that you’d like for me to use.)

My sons and I will then review the tape and record which discs were treated.

I will then post the results in a public forum in an encrypted format before you receive the discs.

Within seven days of receiving the discs, you will post to this JREF forum your decision whether each of the ten discs were treated. You may listen to the CDs as often as you like. You may handle them in any fashion you desire. You may seek the help of others in your review. You may use computer analysis. However, you must answer “Yes” or “No” for each disc within the time frame of seven days.

I will then post the URL of the encrypted results and the key to decrypt the message.

I will then send you the GSIC chip (so that you may treat the untreated discs) and the original video tape.

I reserve the right to publish any records or correspondence regarding this trial.

You may keep the GSIC chip and the 10 CDs regardless of outcome of the trial. However, if you do not submit your analysis within seven days, you must return all ten of the CDs within two weeks.

I commit that if you correctly identify all 10 discs as treated or untreated, that I will lobby aggressively for your testing.

You commit to considering that a failure indicates that the GSIC chip does not create a vast improvement.

 

[-42-]

You haven't followed along closely enough to speak intelligently to the matter apparently. Back on ignore you go.

I've read every single post you've ever made in every single thread (Shameful I know). That was the first time you that you implied that some form of deceit was taking place on JREF. Up until then you were walking on gumdrops.

The "Lie" in question was that you stated that you never agreed to the Steven Howard protocol when they said you did, and Kramer took it right to Randi.

Anyway. See you in a year I guess.