My Dixie Chicks Mindless Rant

[Segnosaur]

If I may quote Paul Harvey on a skeptic forum, "and now, for the rest of the story."

http://www.shutupandsingmovie.com/

http://www.myspace.com/shutupandsing

A documentary about the reaction to those 12 infamous words.

I haven't seen the movie yet (I don't even think its showing in my area). However, I've read some reviews of it... the reviews were mostly positive, but from their desciption it sounded like the 'documentary' was extremely self-serving and pro-Dixie chicks propaghanda. Has anyone actually seen this movie yet to say whether it took a look at all sides if the issue, or does it involve an hour and a half of the Chicks saying "Poor us, bad rednecks"?

 

[Gurdur]

Segnosaur, it looks to me like you're only making circular self-serving arguments; that you're determined to damn the Dixie Chicks no matter what they do, and that because of your dislike of their action in criticising Iraq2 adventurism.

As it is, you're makig interpretations as to motive, interpretations that cannot be proven one way or the other; but it really does look like you only want to condemn them no matter what.

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"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
- Theodore Roosevelt

 

[Segnosaur]

Segnosaur, it looks to me like you're only making circular self-serving arguments; that you're determined to damn the Dixie Chicks no matter what they do, and that because of your dislike of their action in criticising Iraq2 adventurism.

Where exactly are my arguments circular? (Or self-serving for that matter)

I have no problems with the Dixie Chicks making any sort of political statement they want... Heck, they could put out a song saying 'F*ck president Bush and all republicans'. That's free speech, and it can and should be protected.

What I DO have problems with are people who condem people who condem the Dixie Chicks. If the DCs have the right to criticize Bush, then others have the right to criticize the DCs (and even to organize boycotts of their music), even if others think that such actions are unwarranted.

As it is, you're makig interpretations as to motive, interpretations that cannot be proven one way or the other;

You're right... I am making interpretations about their motives, based on the evidence available... but then, that's what other posters are also doing when they talk about how the Dixie Chicks are 'standing up' for themselves. So why criticize me for my views? Why haven't you criticized others when they talk about how they're 'standing up' for themselves since they're also interpreting motives?

Heck, how do any of the Dixie Chick supporters know that they're not just being manipulated and that the Dixie Chicks are really closet Bush supporters? Again, people are assuming motive.

but it really does look like you only want to condemn them no matter what.

Rather hypocritical that you would first criticize me for trying to 'interpret' the motives of the Dixie Chicks, and then turn around and suggest I'd want to 'condemn them no matter what'. Aren't you now trying to interpret my motives? Did it ever occur to you that my analysis may be right?

 

[Bill Thompson]

You know, I could not make this stuff up.
On MSN, there was a link to the Dixie Chicks blog.
I went to the blog and I pulled up the first photo of the fans posters.
I think this is way funny. But the fan is being serious. It is not a joke or a slam on the Dixie Chicks. But I could not have said it better myself.
The sign says "to Think withoug SPEAKING is to Aim without Shooting. THANKS for SPEAKING". So, following this logic, to aim is to think and to speak is to shoot. So she is really saying that they had spoken without thinking just like shooting without aiming. Great.

 

[RandFan]

I don't see what I missed. You are of the opinion that you should not "air dirty laundry on your neighbors porch," and that "people should show respect for their country and their countrymen" and "you simply do not disrespect your home." You don't say that this is the objective truth, but just your opinion. This opinion, as far as I can tell, does not derive from any elaborate ethical system, therefore it is mindless.

"Elaborate ethical system"? Sounds like fallacy to me. Are you saying the more elaborate something is the more likely it is to be true? I'm curious what moral or ethic is an objective truth?

The basis for the idea that you don't air your dirty laundry on your neighbors porch is a form of reciprocal respect. The bond between a husband and wife should be closer than husband and neighbor therefore the husband shouldn't air his complaints about his wife with the neighbor. This would be seen as a defection. The bond of neighbors should be stronger than the bond between outsiders. To go to a neighboring town town and speak badly of one's home town would be seen as a defection. Townsfolk are known to take care of their own. The offender would be seen as a traitor. It is a form of tribalism that begins with family members and extends to ever widening rings or groups and influence.

One thing that is often lost in this war of words is that the Natalie Maines indirectly attacked their fans. Many if not most of the fans voted for Bush. Maine's was, in effect, going to another country and telling foreigners that she was ashamed of her fans.

Not wise. I'd give her points for courage but apparently she was too stupid to realize what the hell she was doing.

ETA: Damn this is month old thread.

 

[Esperdome]

I never really liked The Dixie Chicks music before the controversy. Not surprising since I don't care for pop Country in general. But listening to songs from their last CD makes me reconsider them. I'm starting to like them now.

Maybe there's a bit of an enemy of your enemy is your friend involved, but I think their music has matured. They may be hoping their fan base matures too, or at least shifts as they have shifted.

This isn't unheard of for bands. Anybody remember a group called the Beatles?

 

[Upchurch]

I never really liked The Dixie Chicks music before the controversy. Not surprising since I don't care for pop Country in general. But listening to songs from their last CD makes me reconsider them. I'm starting to like them now.

I have to agree, but having a wife who likes them doesn't hurt.

 

[Bill Thompson]

Was this topic covered? Where is the limit to free speech? I read someone say how sad they were that The Dixie Chicks got death threats just for using free speech.

Is Free Speech ok for everyone everywhere?
Is Free Speech OK for death threats?

Let's suppose we WERE in a worth-while and honorable war and let's suppose they had said something even worse that "I sure am sorry that durka durka durka is from durka durka doo".

 

[Esperdome]

Was this topic covered? Where is the limit to free speech? I read someone say how sad they were that The Dixie Chicks got death threats just for using free speech.

Is Free Speech ok for everyone everywhere?
Is Free Speech OK for death threats?

Let's suppose we WERE in a worth-while and honorable war and let's suppose they had said something even worse that "I sure am sorry that durka durka durka is from durka durka doo".

My understanding is that there are limits to Free Speech. Listed before is the yelling "Fire" in a crowded movie theater example, but there is also slander, libel, plagiarism, and I would think death threats not intended humorously. I'm sure there are more, maybe one of the forum lawyer types could add to this.

I would add that if a person wanted me dead, I'd rather he published that in a newspaper or stated it in a TV interview than me finding out about his intentions in a dark parking lot.