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My argument against materialism

dafydd said:
The event horizon of the formless.
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This event horizon of the formless, as I have said already is a thought. A thought which can be used to ponder the imagined relation of the finite with the infinite. You should try exercising your imagination sometimes its fun;)

Oh and the Kali Thugga was another example of religion being perverted for political ends. I'm glad I didn't run into any on my travels in India!
 
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Robin said:
Materialism does not describe things, as I pointed out earlier, science does.

Do you mean that science only appears to describe physical processes and little else about existence?

Can you give an example of something that cannot - at least in principle - be described by science?
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I had taken this onboard, I wrote "appears to describe the physical processes".

A process is an action of a thing.

I was refering to materialism, perhaps materialism discusses physical events. Events described by science.

Science can probably describe everything physical, except perhaps the nature of a singularity, or what energy is, or how this energy exists and by implication operates as existence. I wont venture into the territory of the mind or consciousness here, I have been focussing only on physical matter.
 
PixyMisa said:
What is that even supposed to mean?

If something happens, it happens. If it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen. If it happens, science can test it.


If one is considering what cannot be tested by science, one must first make some kind of sense.
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Do you accept that there are aspects of existence inconceivable to humans?

Or are you still wearing your rose tinted glasses.
 
laca said:
How come?



No.



You have no basis to disagree. It's a fact.



No. Unless by "the same principles" you actually mean "nothing".
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Are you aware that spiritual teachings are metaphorical techniques for exercising a persons mind body relation, rather like yoga exercises the physical body. The fact that there are differences is not important in this end, people find the one which suits them. Provided they have a free choice on the matter.

Metaphorically the great brown chicken laid the egg of existence, or was it the other way round?
 
punshhh said:
This event horizon of the formless, as I have said already is a thought.
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No, it's inane drivel.

punshhh said:
A thought which can be used to ponder the imagined relation of the finite with the infinite. You should try exercising your imagination sometimes its fun;)
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Since you have absolutely no idea about infinity, you might want to tend to the plank in your eye before looking for the mote in others'. Just sayin'...
 
punshhh said:
Are you aware that spiritual teachings are metaphorical techniques for exercising a persons mind body relation, rather like yoga exercises the physical body.
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What is this mind and why does it need a relation with the body?

punshhh said:
The fact that there are differences is not important in this end, people find the one which suits them. Provided they have a free choice on the matter.
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It's not just differences, but contradictions. The only thing I can think of that could justify this level of non-caring about choosing between contradictions is that it just doesn't matter, they're all just mental masturbation anyway. In other words, meaningless drivel. Just like you keep producing with remarkable consistency.

punshhh said:
Metaphorically the great brown chicken laid the egg of existence, or was it the other way round?
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You think you're so insightful, don't you? I hate to disappoint you, but you're not. At all. Quite the opposite.
 
punshhh said:
I recall you pointing out that humans where well adapted for reaching for bananas.

My point is that our evolutionary adaptations colour our understanding of our world.
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And our point is, that's exactly why we use science rather than just making stuff up.
 
laca said:
What is this mind and why does it need a relation with the body?



It's not just differences, but contradictions. The only thing I can think of that could justify this level of non-caring about choosing between contradictions is that it just doesn't matter, they're all just mental masturbation anyway. In other words, meaningless drivel. Just like you keep producing with remarkable consistency.



You think you're so insightful, don't you? I hate to disappoint you, but you're not. At all. Quite the opposite.
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I didn't expect much appreciation of spiritual ideas in this thread, whatever pearls of wisdom might have passed my keyboard.
 
laca said:
No, it's inane drivel.



Since you have absolutely no idea about infinity, you might want to tend to the plank in your eye before looking for the mote in others'. Just sayin'...
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note my use of the word imagined, I doubt you have much idea about infinity in relation to the question of existence either.
 
punshhh said:
Science can probably describe everything physical, except perhaps the nature of a singularity
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Why not?
, or what energy is,
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Meaningless category as we have discussed...

Why do you hang on to this for so long if you can't tell me what you mean by it?
or how this energy exists and by implication operates as existence.
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I don't think that either you or I know what you mean by that.
I wont venture into the territory of the mind or consciousness here, I have been focussing only on physical matter.
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Is your assumption that consciousness is not physical? Do you have any basis for the claim or do you just use it as an axiom?

Do you think that science cannot describe the mind or consciousness?
 
punshhh said:
This event horizon of the formless, as I have said already is a thought. A thought which can be used to ponder the imagined relation of the finite with the infinite. You should try exercising your imagination sometimes its fun;)

Oh and the Kali Thugga was another example of religion being perverted for political ends. I'm glad I didn't run into any on my travels in India!
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Sheesh, death cults are real and not all are political. I suppose the women in the Dionysus rituals were political stooges too.

Please, religion is a reflection of humans, good, evil, silly and sublime.

Voldemort kills people, which disproves your theory.
 
punshhh said:
This event horizon of the formless, as I have said already is a thought. A thought which can be used to ponder the imagined relation of the finite with the infinite. You should try exercising your imagination sometimes its fun;)

!
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More gibberish.
 
punshhh said:
note my use of the word imagined, I doubt you have much idea about infinity in relation to the question of existence either.
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Since you have no idea what infinity is,you have no idea either. Nothing that exists is infinite.
 
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