Musk vs Trump

Which one will the MAGA supporters try to assassinate first?

  • Trump

    Votes: 5 17.9%

  • Musk

    Votes: 23 82.1%
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Darat said:
"required permits" - I think you will find those are for the little people, they don't apply to Musk.
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I gather most 'disrupters' operate on the notion that it's way easier to just do something and then ask for forgiveness (and have your lobbyists grease a few palms), than having to go through the proper procedures to obtain permission in the first place.
 
attorneyryan
Musk isn’t auditing a damn thing.He’s stealing data, he’s creating backdoors into government systems, he’s searching for “enemies” and finding ways to destroy them.That’s the real DOGE agenda.
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Musk isn’t auditing a damn thing. He’s stealing data, he’s creating backdoors into government systems, he’s searching for “enemies” and finding ways to destroy them. That’s the real DOGE agenda.
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DOGE hacking gov't secrets
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BREAKING: DOGE/NLRB whistleblower Daniel Berulis reveals that foreign adversaries were able to compromise and steal American data as a result of Elon Musk: "Not anything to do with efficiency, for sure. These aren't mistakes that I've ever seen before - it doesn't speak to being accidental...
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Must impeach....Musk?

creepyhorrorgal
Just watched Rachel Maddow’s interview with whistleblower Daniel Berulis. I’m SHOOK.Massive breach: 10GB of sensitive gov data handed over via DOGE & Starlink.Access granted by Elon Musk’s DOGE, sent to Russia.Let that sink in.- Labor board logs erased- Union records stolen- Russian IP login attempt- Obstruction when he reported it- Then… threats.Not a leak. This is theft, or treason. Bigger than Watergate.This IS the story.
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Charly / Creepy Horror Gal (@creepyhorrorgal) on Threads

Just watched Rachel Maddow’s interview with whistleblower Daniel Berulis. I’m SHOOK. Massive breach: 10GB of sensitive gov data handed over via DOGE & Starlink. Access granted by Elon Musk’s DOGE, sent to Russia. Let that sink in. - Labor board logs erased - Union records stolen - Russian...
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Doge finds people ripping us off, appearing and disappearing! Only, some were in witness protection before DOGE leaked them to other people in gov't who did not have access to all sensitive data.
Exclusive: Some aren’t even fraud but rather known attempts by states to protect victims of identity theft, former top official says

In a series of late-night posts on X last week, Elon Musk and his so-called “department of government efficiency” revealed the seemingly startling findings of their “initial survey” into unemployment benefits.

They cited examples of claimants who were deceased, between one and five years old, or not born yet. They even cited one case of someone with a listed birthday in 2154 allegedly claiming $41,000.

News of the claims swept across rightwing media, including Fox News and Breitbart, and were attributed to Doge. They were repeated by the secretary of labor, Lori Chavez-DeRemer, who declared during a cabinet meeting with Donald Trump that the revelations were the latest to be “exposed by our partners at Doge”.

“Your tax dollars were going to pay fraudulent unemployment claims for fake people born in the future!” Musk wrote on X, his social network. “There was no sanity check for impossibly young or impossibly old people for unemployment insurance.”

But there was, in reality, a “sanity check” of unemployment claims years before Doge launched its blitz of the federal government – including under Joe Biden. People previously involved with the process say Doge’s claims are lifted from it.

“They’re coming up like they uncovered something brand-new,” Andrew Stettner, who served as the director of unemployment insurance modernization at the US Department of Labor in the Biden administration, told the Guardian. “Going back in 2020 to say there was a lot of fraud – that’s the definition of old news.”


Though Doge and Musk failed to cite the survey, or the agency it came from, the US Department of Labor’s office of inspector general is tasked with auditing state unemployment benefit systems.

“They got some access to data from the Department of Labor and office of inspector general, and are trying to make conclusions without doing a full audit or understanding the content,” said Stettner.

Elizabeth Pancotti, managing director of policy and advocacy at the economic thinktank Groundwork Collaborative, said: “What you have is the issue of an outside person who doesn’t know anything coming in and claiming that everything’s broken. The public should be really skeptical of Elon Musk’s claims.”

“For the most part, he and his gaggle of 20-year-olds are going to these federal agencies of staff who have been there for five, 10, 15, 20 years working on these programs,” added Pancotti. “For the most part, these programs work as intended.

“And now you have people coming in, spending five minutes looking at them and claiming that there’s widespread fraud, or they’re broken or they could be fixed in these ways.”
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TellyKNeasuss said:
A Tesla owner is suing Tesla, claiming that the odometer was intentionally set up to over-estimate the miles driven so that the warranty expired sooner. According to the owner, the odometer at times recorded more than twice the actual miles driven.

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A new twist on an old con; pushing back the sppedomaters to show less mileage is an old used car salesman trick. It is illegal in every state and considered fraud, of course, but I guess Musk thinks he is above the law.
 
dudalb said:
Apparently Musk is going to reduce his Doge involvment to one day a week.
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From which we can speculatively infer any number of things.

Elon Musk's diminished role at DOGE might make it less a product of his capricious whims. That may be safer for the democracy, or more dangerous—who knows? If DOGE is no longer in the limelight because of Musk's unhinged antics, what happens in the shadows may end up being more sinister. On the other hand, if there are elements of DOGE that are no longer pressured to take a chainsaw to everything useful, maybe the good parts of government will survive.

But the larger question for me is the observation of how little time the highers-up actually spend leading anything. If you can take months off as CEO of multiple corporations in order to play government hatchet man, how critical is your role in those other businesses? Are you just a figurehead? Musk wants to present himself as the creative and technical genius behind his businesses, the unique driving force that makes them better than their competitors. Since that's obviously not true, we have to wonder how critical Musk's role was in DOGE. The evidence shows that the more direct involvement he has in the organizations he owns or leads, the worse off they are. A Musk-less DOGE might be a much greater threat.
 
JayUtah said:
From which we can speculatively infer any number of things.

Elon Musk's diminished role at DOGE might make it less a product of his capricious whims. That may be safer for the democracy, or more dangerous—who knows? If DOGE is no longer in the limelight because of Musk's unhinged antics, what happens in the shadows may end up being more sinister. On the other hand, if there are elements of DOGE that are no longer pressured to take a chainsaw to everything useful, maybe the good parts of government will survive.

But the larger question for me is the observation of how little time the highers-up actually spend leading anything. If you can take months off as CEO of multiple corporations in order to play government hatchet man, how critical is your role in those other businesses? Are you just a figurehead? Musk wants to present himself as the creative and technical genius behind his businesses, the unique driving force that makes them better than their competitors. Since that's obviously not true, we have to wonder how critical Musk's role was in DOGE. The evidence shows that the more direct involvement he has in the organizations he owns or leads, the worse off they are. A Musk-less DOGE might be a much greater threat.
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Depends on a) how competent his successor is and b) how willing he is to turf out the Galaxy Nazi's mini me's from the operation.
 
Norman Alexander said:
My bad,but the reports about the strong possibility of a stockholder revolt at Tesla remain.
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Can they please sack him IMMEDIATELY. His main money source will disappear, and that will make Donny not like him so much.
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Would it really have that effect?

Even if other shareholders revolt and remove musk from his position of running Tesla, he will still own his personal shares. And any increase in share prices that result (because of the ending of bad publicity because they are no longer run by a fascist) will give musk MORE cash to do his thing.
 
Segnosaur said:
Would it really have that effect?

Even if other shareholders revolt and remove musk from his position of running Tesla, he will still own his personal shares. And any increase in share prices that result (because of the ending of bad publicity because they are no longer run by a fascist) will give musk MORE cash to do his thing.
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More wealth, not necessarily more cash unless he borrows against them.

It would also stop him appropriating billions of dollars of extra shares because of the amazing job he's doing.
 
Segnosaur said:
Would it really have that effect?

Even if other shareholders revolt and remove musk from his position of running Tesla, he will still own his personal shares. And any increase in share prices that result (because of the ending of bad publicity because they are no longer run by a fascist) will give musk MORE cash to do his thing.
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The company can remove any shareholder from their shares quite easily. They do that sort of thing as regular business practice. Here's one reference.

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Norman Alexander said:
The company can remove any shareholder from their shares quite easily. They do that sort of thing as regular business practice. Here's one reference.

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HOW TO REMOVE AN UNWANTED SHAREHOLDER

Looking to remove an unwatned shareholder? Find out all you need to know here at Rinew Legal, for more information please get in touch.
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"Quite Easily" isn't really the description I'd use for a range of options from 'ask them to sell very nicely' through 'withhold dividends' to 'wind up the company'. Plus my reading of that article is they're thinking of smaller companies, not those that are publicly traded.
 
P.J. Denyer said:
"Quite Easily" isn't really the description I'd use for a range of options from 'ask them to sell very nicely' through 'withhold dividends' to 'wind up the company'. Plus my reading of that article is they're thinking of smaller companies, not those that are publicly traded.
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It takes moments and a few dollars to create a new company with only selected board members under an umbrella, and one resolution to wind up a company and sell its assets to another. Then the "new" board minus the troublemaker can carry on. It's how bankrupts avoid owing anything to debtors.
 
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