Cont: Musk buys Twitter II

angrysoba said:
Could you explain what this means? I don't know if this is something being talked about on Twitter or by Musk or Trump. Arrested for what?
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Stephen Miller, who is still writing policy for Trump (including massive detention camps that local cops can put people in on their suspicion of not being documented) said, "Fraud is both a civil and criminal violation. There are 2 dozen+ conservative state Attorneys General." Musk replied intreged.

Then, Missouri Attorney General Andrew Bailey tweeted, "My team is looking into this matter." Because the GOP are actually anti-free speech fascists who will use government power and intimidation to stop independent researchers from saying something demonstrably true.
 
angrysoba said:
Dave Rubin is probably one of the stupidest people who ever lived. Getting a character reference from him is worse than useless. If anything it is damning.

Those companies are not going to go back to Twatter and there will definitely not be any apologies. Musk has himself confirmed that people can spew Nazi **** on his platform cos it’s free speech. And guess what? Companies have every right to take that into account when choosing where to advertise their brands. Nobody should be compelled to advertise on a social media site alongside Nazis. The fact that douchebags like Dave Rubin doesn’t get this is absolutely no surprise. The man is a pathetic joke that even his friends think of as a degenerate. No matter how many times he licks the arse of people like Ben Shapiro, Shapiro is never going to go to Rubin’s anniversary parties.
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Ben Shapiro's hardly a good reference either, though. Breitbart and now The Daily Wire are more than a little untrustworthy and extremely biased, to say the least. That pretty much means that Samson's trying to claim that extremist right-wingers are the perfect people to clear Musk of being what the evidence would pretty clearly show when looked at objectively.

The extremist right-wing depends on convincing their marks that up is down when it comes to so very many things, though, so that's hardly some revelation. Distraction, distortion, and deceit is their SOP. Given that, I have absolutely no interest in feeding them yt views and thus income. If Samson wants to try to make an argument or their argument himself, that's one thing. His arguments by yt can be fairly dismissed out of hand, though, I think.
 
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Aridas said:
Ben Shapiro's hardly a good reference either, though. Breitbart and now The Daily Wire are more than a little untrustworthy and extremely biased, to say the least. That pretty much means that Samson's trying to claim that extremist right-wingers are the perfect people to clear Musk of being what the evidence would pretty clearly show when looked at objectively.

The right-wing depends on convincing their marks that up is down when it comes to so very many things, though, so that's hardly some revelation.
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No worries, you have Mediamatters to right the ship.
I note they are transjoyousness voyagers, so are not confused by anything scientific. The battle lines are nicely drawn. Left right and wrong or a mix.
 
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Samson said:
And Elon is not an antisemite, and has been exonerated in this 5 minute clip starring Dave Rubin and Ben Shapiro, so the big guys can send him money for advertising and heartfelt apologies.

https://youtu.be/gsqii3yOPCc?si=R2XEmZLSt8OEbyzm
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Then why does he keep saying anti-semitic things?

If you spout idiocy, its unsurprising that people will think you are an idiot.
If you spout anti-semitism..
 
Samson said:
And Elon is not an antisemite, and has been exonerated in this 5 minute clip starring Dave Rubin and Ben Shapiro...
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Ah yes, the authorities on the subject.

Come on.

Rando on X: "Jewish people and leftists are engineering the ethnic and cultural replacement of white populations with non-white immigrants that will lead to a white genocide."

Musk, in reply: "This is the actual truth".
 
angrysoba said:
Dave Rubin is probably one of the stupidest people who ever lived. Getting a character reference from him is worse than useless. If anything it is damning.

Those companies are not going to go back to Twatter and there will definitely not be any apologies. Musk has himself confirmed that people can spew Nazi **** on his platform cos it’s free speech. And guess what? Companies have every right to take that into account when choosing where to advertise their brands. Nobody should be compelled to advertise on a social media site alongside Nazis. The fact that douchebags like Dave Rubin doesn’t get this is absolutely no surprise. The man is a pathetic joke that even his friends think of as a degenerate. No matter how many times he licks the arse of people like Ben Shapiro, Shapiro is never going to go to Rubin’s anniversary parties.
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The right to free speech includes the right not to speak if you choose. Advertisers have the right not to use Musk's platform.

Media Matters will win the thermonuclear law suit because they are sure to have documentation of Nazi Tweets with Apple ads next to them or equivalent.
 
jeremyp said:
The right to free speech includes the right not to speak if you choose. Advertisers have the right not to use Musk's platform.

Media Matters will win the thermonuclear law suit because they are sure to have documentation of Nazi Tweets with Apple ads next to them or equivalent.
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Musk has already posted their defence, quite literally. He stated clearly that the ads did appear as documented by Media Matters. Now he claims hardly anyone saw these combinations - at one point he said only the account created by Media Matters saw one combination, but that still means Media Matters were telling the truth.

Now truth isn't always a clear-cut defence as it would be in a libel case but it's a damn strong starting point even in a defamation case.

And as ever the consequences may be more far-reaching than he considered when he posted their defence as he may have caused himself more issues with the EU by showing that he will breach the privacy of an account when it suits him, all the T&Cs can't prevent that being an issue with the EU privacy laws. (And such considerations can't be classed as "unforeseen" anyone operating a social media app in the EU would be aware of such potential issues - apart from apparently Musk.)
 
i mean, it's been pretty obvious since before he bought it that to him free speech was more of a slogan than a principle. this is another of many examples of that. to him it's more of a means to control and create narratives he can take advantage of, and although there's plenty of people that stuff works on, samson, it's not enough.

or maybe it's just elon. most grifter's at least make some money, elon has lost tens of billions.
 
Darat said:
Musk has already posted their defence, quite literally. He stated clearly that the ads did appear as documented by Media Matters. Now he claims hardly anyone saw these combinations - at one point he said only the account created by Media Matters saw one combination, but that still means Media Matters were telling the truth.

Now truth isn't always a clear-cut defence as it would be in a libel case but it's a damn strong starting point even in a defamation case.

And as ever the consequences may be more far-reaching than he considered when he posted their defence as he may have caused himself more issues with the EU by showing that he will breach the privacy of an account when it suits him, all the T&Cs can't prevent that being an issue with the EU privacy laws. (And such considerations can't be classed as "unforeseen" anyone operating a social media app in the EU would be aware of such potential issues - apart from apparently Musk.)
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Is he saying that advertisers should stay because no one sees their ads? It sounds like a good business move on multiple levels.
 
jeremyp said:
The right to free speech includes the right not to speak if you choose. Advertisers have the right not to use Musk's platform.

Media Matters will win the thermonuclear law suit because they are sure to have documentation of Nazi Tweets with Apple ads next to them or equivalent.
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I think you’re saying the same thing as me. Musk is essentially admitting everything Media Matters is claiming. And it is the truth of what they are claiming that has led to advertisers to pull out. Musk has no god given right to their money.

I think Hans is right to consider him a tinkerbellend. He must keep people thinking about him and the easiest way to do that is to constantly be a bellend.
 
angrysoba said:
I think you’re saying the same thing as me.
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Yes.

Musk is essentially admitting everything Media Matters is claiming. And it is the truth of what they are claiming that has led to advertisers to pull out. Musk has no god given right to their money.
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I hadn't considered that until Darat's post in response to mine. It seems to me to be an own goal on two levels. Firstly, he's admitting that ads are being posted next to Nazi posts and second he's admitting that nobody sees them. Either one by itself would be enough cause for an advertiser to withdraw their custom.
I think Hans is right to consider him a tinkerbellend. He must keep people thinking about him and the easiest way to do that is to constantly be a bellend.
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I'm not sure what the "tinker" prefix is meant to signify.

Anyway, you are right. He has to keep projecting his personality because he is the main reason people give him the cash to keep his companies afloat.
 
Samson said:
The battle lines are nicely drawn. Left right and wrong or a mix.
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“There's battle lines being drawn,
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong…”

For What It’s Worth - The Buffalo Springfield in the 1960’s. The entire song seems relevant now as well.

It feels different now, but having lived through the 1960’s, not everything was peace and love back then, either.
 
Ken Paxton has announced his office is investigating Media Matters for fraud, despite no reasonable grounds for suspicion. The party of 'free speech' continues to abuse government power to oppress speech.

Don't worry, they'll solve this cancel culture soon.
 
tyr_13 said:
Ken Paxton has announced his office is investigating Media Matters for fraud, despite no reasonable grounds for suspicion. The party of 'free speech' continues to abuse government power to oppress speech.

Don't worry, they'll solve this cancel culture soon.
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https://www.texasattorneygeneral.go...n-media-matters-potential-fraudulent-activity

It really does read like something you'd expect to see in historical documents from one of the eastern European countries under Soviet rule, or more perhaps from 1984 the novel, where words mean the opposite, it needs to be presented in its entirety to appreciate the warped world he lives in:

Attorney General Ken Paxton Opens Investigation into Media Matters for Potential Fraudulent Activity


The Office of the Attorney General (“OAG”) is opening an investigation into Media Matters for potential fraudulent activity. Under the Texas Business Organizations Code and the Deceptive Trade Practices Act, the OAG will vigorously enforce against nonprofits who commit fraudulent acts in or affecting the state of Texas.

Attorney General Paxton was extremely troubled by the allegations that Media Matters, a radical anti-free speech organization, fraudulently manipulated data on X.com (formerly known as Twitter).

“We are examining the issue closely to ensure that the public has not been deceived by the schemes of radical left-wing organizations who would like nothing more than to limit freedom by reducing participation in the public square,” said Attorney General Paxton.
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ETA: For those wanting a bit more background this is the article that started this ball rolling: https://www.mediamatters.org/twitte...x-has-been-placing-ads-apple-bravo-ibm-oracle
 
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https://news.sky.com/story/elon-musk-sues-watchdog-group-after-major-companies-pull-ads-13012638

Elon Musk sues watchdog group after major companies pull ads
In a lawsuit filed in the US District Court in Texas, X said Media Matters "knowingly and maliciously" portrayed ads next to hateful material "as if they were what typical X users experience on the platform".
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".....It claims the watchdog manipulated algorithms on the platform to create images of advertisers' paid posts next to racist and pro-Nazi content, with X saying the juxtapositions were "manufactured, inorganic and extraordinarily rare"....."

So they did happen and X did display the adverts next to such content.

Case dismissed - Next!
 
Darat said:
https://news.sky.com/story/elon-musk-sues-watchdog-group-after-major-companies-pull-ads-13012638



".....It claims the watchdog manipulated algorithms on the platform to create images of advertisers' paid posts next to racist and pro-Nazi content, with X saying the juxtapositions were "manufactured, inorganic and extraordinarily rare"....."

So they did happen and X did display the adverts next to such content.

Case dismissed - Next!
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yeah, but they were mean about it!
So Musk should win the case!
 
Surely every combination of posts and ads is rare when everyone's feeds are uniquely generated.
 
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