Cont: Musk buys Twitter II

Roger Ramjets said:
Free speech is not absolute, and sometimes other factors take precedence. Musk owns Twitter now, so he gets to decide when that happens. For example, Musk initially refused to unban Alex Jones, saying he has "no mercy" for people who "use the deaths of children for gain, politics, or fame.". But in December 2023, after a user asked if the ban could be lifted, Musk replied:-
70.1% voted for lifting the ban, so he did.
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Exactly; Musk is demonstrably unprincipled; so to attach special significance to the fact that he has said "he likes free speech" is folly. The fact that Alex Jones used the deaths of children for gain, politics, or fame did not change, but the fact that Musk "has no mercy" for people who do that, suddenly - arbitrarily - stopped mattering when Elon decided that he could make a political statement by reinstating Jones.

The poll was rather silly; it's effectively a way of transferring blame for a decision he fully wants to make but knows there might be negative consequences for. "I had no choice; "vox populi". Elon used to do these polls when he was confident he could predict the results; I don't think he does them anymore.
 
"liberals" call out elon musk got called out for being a greedy businessman so he has no choice but to be a greedy businessman. trump offers the world to big oil for $1B and promises to roll back all the ev incentives, and elon musk endorses him and donates $45M a month because it'll make him even richer. but this is the left's fault for calling him out for it? lol

what a bunch of clownery. foolishness. nonsense.
 
Musk bought Twitter because he screwed up, he didn't want to buy it at the price he claimed he was willing to pay for it. The result is that he has now to not only pay the costs of running the business but also servicing the debt the stupid anti-capitalism business environment allows buyers to saddle the company with i.e. the cost of buying the business. He is utterly and completely unconcerned about his platform supporting the USA form of "free speech", he simply needs X to make money, more money than it did before he bought it. Anyone thinking he is for free speech based on his running of X is fooling themselves, it's about the money. (That he makes bad decisions, ones that end up costing him money, doesn't mean it isn't about the money.)
 
Darat said:
Musk bought Twitter because he screwed up, he didn't want to buy it at the price he claimed he was willing to pay for it. The result is that he has now to not only pay the costs of running the business but also servicing the debt the stupid anti-capitalism business environment allows buyers to saddle the company with i.e. the cost of buying the business. He is utterly and completely unconcerned about his platform supporting the USA form of "free speech", he simply needs X to make money, more money than it did before he bought it. Anyone thinking he is for free speech based on his running of X is fooling themselves, it's about the money. (That he makes bad decisions, ones that end up costing him money, doesn't mean it isn't about the money.)
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It is fair to say he had buyer's regret. He clearly paid far too much, but rather than fight a battle to exit he might win, he honored the deal.
This thread is an orgy of cognitive dissonance, Musk evil or Musk a super hero.
A bit like Trump.
Worth a thread, this firewall that gets constructed between opponents and supporters of the big players in this moment in history.
 
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Darat said:
Musk bought Twitter because he screwed up, he didn't want to buy it at the price he claimed he was willing to pay for it. The result is that he has now to not only pay the costs of running the business but also servicing the debt the stupid anti-capitalism business environment allows buyers to saddle the company with i.e. the cost of buying the business. He is utterly and completely unconcerned about his platform supporting the USA form of "free speech", he simply needs X to make money, more money than it did before he bought it. Anyone thinking he is for free speech based on his running of X is fooling themselves, it's about the money. (That he makes bad decisions, ones that end up costing him money, doesn't mean it isn't about the money.)
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while i think he obviously would prefere twitter to be profitable, i think he bought it for it's value as a media outlet he could use to manipulate public opinion. but, he was pretty bad at that. i think he'd be fine with taking a loss if, at least, he was able to effectively use it to change public opinion.
 
dirtywick said:
while i think he obviously would prefere twitter to be profitable, i think he bought it for it's value as a media outlet he could use to manipulate public opinion. but, he was pretty bad at that. i think he'd be fine with taking a loss if, at least, he was able to effectively use it to change public opinion.
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A dispiriting and depressing post.
Well done.
 
it's a lot of misplaced anger, you know. i'm not the one telling elon musk to behave the way he does. you give him a pass because you agree with his politics, and he lies and scams right in front of you. that's on you.
 
I regard this forum as a true free speech forum, which is why I persevere.
I am not sure I am a good student of Dale Carnegie.
 
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this forum has a pretty restrictive ma and an auto censor.

this forum is an example of the necessity of moderation. and even at that there’s a disturbing number of racists here imo
 
Samson said:
It is fair to say he had buyer's regret. He clearly paid far too much, but rather than fight a battle to exit he might win, he honored the deal.
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He certainly fought a battle to back out of the deal and he only gave up and "honoured" the deal because somebody finally got it into his thick skull that he was going to lose.
 
jeremyp said:
He certainly fought a battle to back out of the deal and he only gave up and "honoured" the deal because somebody finally got it into his thick skull that he was going to lose.
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Why not just applaud he honored the deal?
 
Samson said:
That is a misstep, since cisgender can presumably transition from to normal with time.
I can only repeat, my echo chamber loves Musk after they were banned for years by Jack Dorsey.
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1. So your "echo chamber" are vile, homophobic, transphobic, racist, fascist scum? :rolleyes:
2. You are wrong about 'cisgender' being "perjorative" [sic].
 
jeremyp said:
Because he didn't want to honour it. He only honoured it because Twitter's lawyers forced him to.
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He decided that petty cash was worth spending to allow your voice to have permanent access to a message board.
 
catsmate said:
1. So your "echo chamber" are vile, homophobic, transphobic, racist, fascist scum? :rolleyes:
2. You are wrong about 'cisgender' being "perjorative" [sic].
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My echo chamber is none of the above.
My signature line is resolutely true.
 
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dirtywick said:
while i think he obviously would prefere twitter to be profitable, i think he bought it for it's value as a media outlet he could use to manipulate public opinion. but, he was pretty bad at that. i think he'd be fine with taking a loss if, at least, he was able to effectively use it to change public opinion.
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He bought it because his ego drove him to sign a bad contract to buy it.
 
catsmate said:
1. So your "echo chamber" are vile, homophobic, transphobic, racist, fascist scum? :rolleyes:
2. You are wrong about 'cisgender' being "perjorative" [sic].
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Of course it is pejorative just like being called heterosexual instead of normal or white instead of normal.
 
MarkCorrigan said:
No...no that isn't what happened.
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Let us not forget that he fabricated lies about Twitter hiding the "bot problem" from him thus invalidating the deal (and allowing him to back out without a penalty). A lot of the fan boys ate it up, firmly believing that tricking Twitter into exposing its bot problem was the real plan all along.
 
yeah that is another great example of him willing to lie if it benefits him

probably doesn’t count somehow though
 
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