Multiple police shot in Dallas protest

[Ziggurat]

That all applies to you as well.

Of course it does. That doesn't undermine my position, that's part of my position.

They would not in Scotland, contain and negotiate and only use force if he is trying to shoot his way back out.

What's the difference between the threat of gunfire and the threat of explosives?

Not if they had negotiated him out and got him treatment for his injuries so he survived. Doing that instead of what has happened in various incidents would mean no reason to protest.

This is pure delusion. Why were people protesting in the first place? They weren't protesting because the Dallas shooter got killed (because, again, time travel doesn't exist). They had other reasons to protest. Those reasons wouldn't go away. Furthermore, I'm pretty sure the BLM movement isn't going to protest the killing of the Dallas shooter. I'll give you one guess as to why.

He did not pose an immediate threat. He was contained, injured and when he did exchange fire no one was hit, so the police clearly had good cover. The police blew him up rather than re-start negotiating.

Once again, you're ignoring the explosives. Furthermore, concluding that there was no threat because no one was hit is a post hoc fallacy. It's like saying driving drunk wasn't risky if you didn't get in an accident. And finally, the police cannot force someone to negotiate.

The police's and your mess with us and die attitude perpetuates the violence.

 

[theprestige]

If the police are forced to take cover to avoid getting shot, then who's containing who in this situation? Police can't arrest anyone from cover.

I think the explosives are a red herring. The situation was already intolerable. There was no justification for letting the gunman continue to determine the sequence and timing of events.

 

[theprestige]

You don't even suspect the shooter represented no immediate threat at the time of his death?

Really?

Yes, really.

If there was no immediate threat, why didn't a couple cops walk over and arrest the guy? Oh, right--they had all taken cover to avoid getting shot.

There was no reason to suspect the shooter was anything other than an immediate threat. He hadn't surrendered. He hadn't negotiated. He hadn't done anything at all except limit his exposure and reduce his rate of fire. Which did not reduce the immediacy of the threat, but only prolonged it.

 

[trustbutverify]

Yes, really.

If there was no immediate threat, why didn't a couple cops walk over and arrest the guy? Oh, right--they had all taken cover to avoid getting shot.

There was no reason to suspect the shooter was anything other than an immediate threat. He hadn't surrendered. He hadn't negotiated. He hadn't done anything at all except limit his exposure and reduce his rate of fire. Which did not reduce the immediacy of the threat, but only prolonged it.

I think you're misunderstanding me. I agree with this post. I'm just skeptical BTC doesn't suspect the police might have killed a man who posed no immediate threat, based on his previous comments.

 

[theprestige]

I think you're misunderstanding me. I agree with this post. I'm just skeptical BTC doesn't suspect the police might have killed a man who posed no immediate threat, based on his previous comments.

Ah, gotcha. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[BrooklynBaby]

Given that he was killing police for political reasons, I don't think there is any question this guy was a terrorist, and there is really no difference between blowing him up and dropping bombs on ISIS, IMO.

 

[Cylinder]

Offered as an object lesson for those blindly clinging to ignorant memes:

Officials give first look inside El Centro College following police ambush

[The shooter] spoke with two Dallas Police officers before opening fire on them. DART Officer Brent Thompson fired back, and was shot, in return.

[The shooter] ran to the Elm Street side of campus and shot his way in. He was hurt and left a blood trail from the doors to the stairwell.

"As soon as my officer opened the door to the stairwell, he was met with several rounds of gunfire,” said Hannigan.

[The shooter] then went up the stairs to the second floor through the library and into a hallway that was overlooking Elm Street, where [the shooter] shot windows out and shot at police.

When officers were bravely closing in, [the shooter] retreated down a hall to a room with computer servers. He stayed in that room for several hours, negotiating with police and shooting at them.

"He knew we were coming after him,” said Hannigan. “Dallas Police were coming after him. He knew not to stay in this place for too long."

Police evacuated the people inside the building on the floors below and above [the shooter] before sending in a robot with a pound of C4 to kill him.​

Hand up; Don't shoot.
Stupid.

 

[Blue Mountain]

Offered as an object lesson for those blindly clinging to ignorant memes:

Officials give first look inside El Centro College following police ambush

Quotation snipped to avoid being repetitive

Hand up; Don't shoot.
Stupid.

Thank you--that sheds a much better light on the situation. The shooter was "confined" in room that probably had only drywall for walls. That's very easy to shoot through, meaning anyone in the immediate vicinity could be a target if the shooter took to randomly firing through the walls. It would be much more difficult to cover the hallway in case the shooter decided to make a break for it, because the people doing that job could be shot.

Could you prevent an escape by boarding up the door? Only if the person nailing the boards in place was willing to risk getting a few bullets in him.

If the shooter decided to exit the room, with or without firing as he went, the police could well lose track of where he went. That's very dangrous to the public at large.

The police knew only that the man was wounded. Where and how badly they likely didn't know. Certainly not badly enough to stop him from singing and taunting. Which means he could well have been mobile enough to leave the room and hide somewhere else.

At that point the police's options were much more limited than if the shooter had been confined in a concrete stairwell between two floors. Now, if others in this thread care to speculate on how they could have prevented the shooter for escaping the room without further endangering the lives of the police setting up a trap or a barricade, I'd be willing to hear them.

 

[cullennz]

Thank you--that sheds a much better light on the situation. The shooter was "confined" in room that probably had only drywall for walls. That's very easy to shoot through, meaning anyone in the immediate vicinity could be a target if the shooter took to randomly firing through the walls. It would be much more difficult to cover the hallway in case the shooter decided to make a break for it, because the people doing that job could be shot.

Could you prevent an escape by boarding up the door? Only if the person nailing the boards in place was willing to risk getting a few bullets in him.

If the shooter decided to exit the room, with or without firing as he went, the police could well lose track of where he went. That's very dangrous to the public at large.

The police knew only that the man was wounded. Where and how badly they likely didn't know. Certainly not badly enough to stop him from singing and taunting. Which means he could well have been mobile enough to leave the room and hide somewhere else.

At that point the police's options were much more limited than if the shooter had been confined in a concrete stairwell between two floors. Now, if others in this thread care to speculate on how they could have prevented the shooter for escaping the room without further endangering the lives of the police setting up a trap or a barricade, I'd be willing to hear them.

Only the fact there were about 150 standing outside.

Would have been an impressive escape