Mueller Investigation pt5

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theprestige said:
There are still birthers around. There will probably always be birthers around. But as an issue that actually mattered outside the heads of birthers? That was over pretty quick.
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Similarly, Benghazi ceased to matter after the facts came out and didn't get 9 additional investigations.
 
theprestige said:
There are still birthers around. There will probably always be birthers around. But as an issue that actually mattered outside the heads of birthers? That was over pretty quick.
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Yeah, nobody important in the GOP hang onto that birther silliness after the facts came out. For instance the current head fo the GOP and President of the United States denounced it months ago, and was almost convincing.
 
theprestige said:
I'm definitely open to the argument that Trump Tower is your Benghazi. Tell me more.
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Are you proposing to cheer on 9 more in depth investigations into Trump, including an 11 hour grilling of Trump under oath before Congress? I suppose I could join you in calling for that.
 
theprestige said:
Depends on the Republican, I suppose. Limbaugh and Hannity would rant about it. Some senator or congressman would get in front of microphones and say something. It would look like a super big deal for all of a day. But nothing would be proven, nothing would come of it, and it would all blow over in a week.

Two years later, someone on this forum would bring it up as evidence of Democratic corruption and treason, "remember that time Podesta did..."

Everyone else here would laugh at him. "That time Podesta did what? You have nothing." And that would be that.
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how does your scenario fit with the "Uranium One" insanity ?
 
theprestige said:
There are still birthers around. There will probably always be birthers around. But as an issue that actually mattered outside the heads of birthers? That was over pretty quick.
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You say that as if it was a small minority of Republicans. Every poll I've ever seen to this day still has a majority of Republicans believing that nonsense. You're being completely disingenuous.
 
thaiboxerken said:
This doesn't explain why he said he would be fine with it going public a week ago.
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When Trump has repeated this pattern for years, why are people still looking for other explanations?


Also, according to Barr, Trump hasn't seen the report yet he's already talking about the fact the 'oranges' aren't addressed in the report. How would he know that?
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
When Trump has repeated this pattern for years, why are people still looking for other explanations?


Also, according to Barr, Trump hasn't seen the report yet he's already talking about the fact the 'oranges' aren't addressed in the report. How would he know that?
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That's funny...I thought the entire focus of the report was Agent Orange.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
When Trump has repeated this pattern for years, why are people still looking for other explanations?


Also, according to Barr, Trump hasn't seen the report yet he's already talking about the fact the 'oranges' aren't addressed in the report. How would he know that?
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Trump "seeing" the report probably wouldn't make any difference, anyway. Does Barr say no one told him what's in it?
 
Cabbage said:
You say that as if it was a small minority of Republicans. Every poll I've ever seen to this day still has a majority of Republicans believing that nonsense. You're being completely disingenuous.
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And I'm sure that a majority of Democrats will continue to believe nonsense about the Trump Tower meeting, probably until the heat death of the universe.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
When Trump has repeated this pattern for years, why are people still looking for other explanations?


Also, according to Barr, Trump hasn't seen the report yet he's already talking about the fact the 'oranges' aren't addressed in the report. How would he know that?
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He meant origins but he has failing faculties, he thinks his dad was born in Germany, how is he going to remember a word like origins?
 
theprestige said:
I'm definitely open to the argument that Trump Tower is your Benghazi. Tell me more.
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Yeah, way to sidestep the point.

You argued that, had the shoe been on the other foot, Republicans would have let the issue go without much fuss.

And yet history tells a different story. See the Whitewater investigations and the Benghazi investigations.

It’s comical to now hear Republicans claim what a waste of time and money the Mueller Investigation has been.
 
theprestige said:
And I'm sure that a majority of Democrats will continue to believe nonsense about the Trump Tower meeting, probably until the heat death of the universe.
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You mean do I believe the purpose of the meeting was to discuss how Russia could aid in the election of Trump and how Trump could return the favor by repealing sanctions on Russia? Yes, I believe that and see no reason to disbelieve that.
 
theprestige said:
And I'm sure that a majority of Democrats will continue to believe nonsense about the Trump Tower meeting, probably until the heat death of the universe.
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What "nonsense?" I'll predict that the majority of Democrats will continue to believe the credible facts, which may or may not eventually include what Mueller found or didn't find about the meeting, and which may or may not help explain WTF was going on with the Trump campaign, and what we should or should not make of it -- which, I predict, you'll call "nonsense" regardless.
 
johnny karate said:
Yeah, way to sidestep the point.

You argued that, had the shoe been on the other foot, Republicans would have let the issue go without much fuss.
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I said it depends on the Republicans. I said there would be some fuss, but no real results or closure.

You predict more fuss than I do. Okay, that's fair. And with the examples you gave, I concede that there would probably be a lot more fuss than I predicted.
 
theprestige said:
And I'm sure that a majority of Democrats will continue to believe nonsense about the Trump Tower meeting, probably until the heat death of the universe.
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We know the following facts:

1) The Russian government interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

2) The Trump Tower meeting was with someone presented as a "Russian government attorney" offering negative information about Clinton as "part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump".

3) The Trump administration lied about and attempted to cover up details surrounding the meeting.


So yeah, believing that meeting might have involved collusion with the Russian government is totally the same as believing a baseless conspiracy theory rooted in bigotry and ignorance. :rolleyes:
 
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theprestige said:
And I'm sure that a majority of Democrats will continue to believe nonsense about the Trump Tower meeting, probably until the heat death of the universe.
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Considering that an Invitation to Collusion was the intent of the email, we have pretty damn good evidence, you know.

If someone sends an email asking for a hitman and a meeting results from that exchange, do you think telling the prosecutor "We decided to talk about adoption instead" is an acceptable defense?
 
a_unique_person said:
He blabbed to Alexander Downer, an Australian ex conservative politician, about it.
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Meaning George Papadopoulos blabbed to "Alexander Downer while he was Australia’s high commissioner to London." Below is a quote from a Guardian news report from last summer.
Downer had a drink in London with Trump’s then foreign policy adviser, George Papadopoulos, who allegedly told Downer Russia had dirt on Hillary Clinton...The Australian government reportedly passed that information to US authorities in July 2016 after a cache of emails from the Democratic campaign was released...He [Downer] met the FBI to share evidence of Russian meddling in the US election, the New York Times reports...Guardian link
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Australia obviously thought there was something very wrong with this picture!
 
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