Mueller Investigation pt5

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Robert Mueller was a God-like figure to the Democrats, until he ruled No Collusion in the long awaited $30,000,000 Mueller Report. Now the Dems don’t even acknowledge his name, have become totally unhinged, and would like to go through the whole process again. It won’t happen!

There is no amount of testimony or document production that can satisfy Jerry Nadler or Shifty Adam Schiff. It is now time to focus exclusively on properly running our great Country!
 
Reminder: it was just over a week ago that Trump, Donald Trump Jr., and Giuliani all said that they wanted the Mueller report publicly released in full.
 
A Russiagate Requiem

CJ Hopkins said:
So the Mueller report is finally in, and it appears that hundreds of millions of Americans have, once again, been woefully bamboozled. Weird, how this just keeps on happening. At this point, Americans have to be the most frequently woefully bamboozled people in the entire history of woeful bamboozlement. If you didn’t know better, you’d think we were all a bunch of hopelessly credulous imbeciles that you could con into believing almost anything, or that our brains had been bombarded with so much propaganda from the time we were born that we couldn’t really even think anymore.

That’s right, as I’m sure you’re aware by now, it turns out President Donald Trump, a pompous former reality TV star who can barely string three sentences together without totally losing his train of thought and barking like an elephant seal, is not, in fact, a secret agent conspiring with the Russian intelligence services to destroy the fabric of Western democracy. After two long years of bug-eyed hysteria, Inspector Mueller came up with squat. Zip. Zero. Nichts. Nada. Or, all right, he indicted a bunch of Russians that will never see the inside of a courtroom, and a few of Trump’s professional sleazebags for lying and assorted other sleazebag activities (so I guess that was worth the $25 million of taxpayers’ money that was spent on this circus). [...]
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And another one - and this time it's personal: Muellergate and the Discreet Lies of the Bourgeoisie

Craig Murray said:
[...] Which brings us full circle to the DNC leak that sparked Muellergate and the claims that it was the Russians who lost Hillary the election. Robert Mueller repeats the assertion from the US security services that it was Russian hackers who obtained the DNC emails and passed them on to Wikileaks. I am telling you from my personal knowledge that this is not true.

Neither Mueller’s team, not the FBI, nor the NSA, nor any US Intelligence agency, has ever carried out any forensic analysis on the DNC’s servers. The DNC consistently refused to make them available. The allegation against Russia is based purely on information from the DNC’s own consultants, Crowdstrike.

William Binney, former Technical Director of the NSA (America’s US$40 billion a year communications intercept organisation), has proven beyond argument that it is a technical impossibility for the DNC emails to have been transmitted by an external hack – they were rather downloaded locally, probably on to a memory stick. Binney’s analysis is fully endorsed by former NSA systems expert Ed Loomis. There simply are no two people on the planet more technically qualified to make this judgement. Yet, astonishingly, Mueller refused to call Binney or Loomis (or me) to testify. Compare this, for example, with his calling to testify my friend Randy Credico, who had no involvement whatsoever in the matter, but Mueller’s team hoped to finger as a Trump/Assange link.

The DNC servers have never been examined by intelligence agencies, law enforcement or by Mueller’s team. Binney and Loomis have written that it is impossible this was an external hack. Wikileaks have consistently stressed no state actor was involved. No evidence whatsoever has been produced of the transfer of the material from the “Russians” to Wikileaks. Wikileaks Vault 7 release of CIA documents shows that the planting of false Russian hacking “fingerprints” is an established CIA practice. Yet none of this is reflected at all by Mueller nor by the mainstream media.

“Collusion” may be dead, but the “Russiagate” false narrative limps on. [...]
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edit to add: Craig Murray has claimed for years now that he knows who leaked the DNC mails, was himself in some way instrumental in bringing them to WikiLeaks and would be willing to elaborate in any investigation (but not in public).
 
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In other words, President Donald Trump, a pompous former reality TV star who can barely string three sentences together without totally losing his train of thought and barking like an elephant seal, might in fact just be a pathologically self-obsessed and ignorant seal who was easily manipulated by Russia to serve their interests, or Russia might in fact just have kompromat on Trump, or maybe all the sleazy colluding was just about personal enrichment and why should a malignant narcissist like Trump care about any incidental damage to the fabric of Western democracy.

No, until we have a reasonable explanation for what we already know, Russiagate is far from dead. The requiem should be for the integrity of the Republican party. The Party of Trump, like Trump himself, is dishonest, willfully ignorant, and cares about nothing except "winning." We'll see; the game isn't over.
 
theprestige said:
The Russians were trying to sell stuff they were already publishing for free? No wonder there was no deal. So much for the Trump Tower meeting. What else do you have?
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Who said anything about selling stuff? The whole point is that it wasn't a proposed sale, and hence it was a proposed illegal contribution.

Were the hacked emails being published prior to the Tower meeting? I can't recall, though I'm pretty darned certain that not all of them were. Were any of them?
 
phiwum said:
Who said anything about selling stuff?
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I asked about it originally. As in, is it a campaign contribution if they're selling it?

The whole point is that it wasn't a proposed sale, and hence it was a proposed illegal contribution.
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How do we know it wasn't a proposed sale?

Were the hacked emails being published prior to the Tower meeting? I can't recall, though I'm pretty darned certain that not all of them were. Were any of them?
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Why do we think the tower meeting is related to the hacked emails?

And if there was no gift or quid pro quo arising from the meeting, why does the meeting even matter?
 
Ziggurat said:
Trump joked that the Russians should release Hillary's state department emails. Are you claiming that the Russians hacked her state department emails? Because that would be a new claim.
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Trump himself did not claim it was a joke when asked a question by Katy Tur. Sometimes he says it's a joke, sometimes he says he genuinely would like Russia to release Hillary's emails. At best, one can say either it was a joke in very poor taste or he was serious, but no one can tell because Trump's own story changes on a whim.
 
thaiboxerken said:
Yes, there is no credible reason to redact things from congress.
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I thought that grand jury proceedings are silent unless a court signs off on it. Now, far as I know, Barr hasn't asked a court to do so.

And, honestly, you and I don't know what's in the report. There may well be credible reasons we don't know. For instance, a third party, totally innocent of anything to do with Russia, could have given embarrassing testimony. Justice Dept. conventions (regulations?) would justify redacting that testimony.

I think you go too far. I can handle sensible redactions. It's a shame that we won't know the reasons for any redactions.
 
The Russians were trying to coordinate when to release the material - getting a heads-up when the dirt will hit the fan is valuable information.
Giuliani in particular, as well as Roger Stone seemed to have had advanced intel on timing.
And if there ever is a proof that someone associated with Trump asked for the Email dump to offset the Pussy-grabbing tape, the conspiracy will be complete.
Until then, speculations is all we have.
 
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