Mueller Investigation pt5

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Skeptic Ginger said:
No one's lying about what Mueller said. What you mean is did Mueller comment since Barr did and the comment Barr lied was after Mueller commented.
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I'm just going to go with "no" here.

I've caught up on the news and know what's going on now. Should have done that first and avoided the detour through this thread.
 
phiwum said:
Sorry, AC, but the Yuppy is right. You said that "according to Mueller", Barr misrepresented him. The plain meaning is that Mueller has said that Barr misrepresented him.

You're re-interpreting your own words to mean that Mueller said X, Barr said that Mueller said NOT X and so "according to Mueller, Barr misrepresented him." But the proper way to express this is "Barr misrepresented Mueller" and leave "according to" out altogether.

This isn't a nitpicky criticism. I read your post and was confused -- when did Mueller say that? RecoveringYuppy was evidently confused too. It's fine if you didn't intend to imply that, just say so and drop the weak argument that you said nothing misleading.

No offense intended. I genuinely like your posts.
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On the other hand, Yuppy's a bit uncharitable. I'm sure Tesla just made a mistake.
 
Another snippet from the previously linked slam-dunk:

Caitlin Johnstone said:
[...] As other analysts have noted repeatedly, the belief that the full Mueller report contains shocking and incriminating evidence of Russian collusion is premised on the idea that Robert Mueller, the paragon of virtue and integrity according to these same people, is simply sitting on the sidelines allowing William Barr to lie about his investigation uncorrected. Mueller, who had no hesitation in coming out to correct BuzzFeed‘s false reporting about a single aspect of the investigation in January, has not stepped forward to say that Barr has lied about his entire two-year investigation as they are claiming. There has not been so much as a single anonymous leak from anyone on his team to the Washington Post contradicting anything Barr’s said.

Mueller made it clear with the BuzzFeed debacle that he will intervene to prevent disinformation about his investigation from tainting public discourse, but he has not done so with Barr’s letter, even after the investigation is over. This fact kills the argument that there might be some dramatic revelations about a Russian conspiracy in the report.

Luckily for us all, this idiotic argument won’t last long. Barr now says that the Justice Department will be making the report available to the public by “mid-April, if not sooner,” and that “there are no plans to submit the report to the White House for a privilege review.”

Which of course means that by mid-April, if not sooner, Russiagaters will be subjected to yet another loud “told you so” victory lap from Russiagate skeptics like myself. And they will have brought it entirely upon themselves. [...]
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Bolding mine. It will sure be fun. :cool:
 
Minoosh said:
For example it is Barr's "hope" and "goal" to send a minimally redacted report to Congress. Meanwhile he lays the foundation for redactions.
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And we've gotten conflicting information on whether those redactions will include anything Trump wishes by claiming executive privilege.
 
RecoveringYuppy said:
I agree. It's not nitpicky. It would be super important if Mueller had actually said that. I hadn't been following the news for a couple of days so I could have actually missed that.
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I believe every sentence of Barr's "summary" was vetted for factual correctness. But I also believe Mueller's report was similarly vetted, and that Mueller has no vested interest to mislead, while Barr does.

I can't help but think that there is something obvious I'm missing, some other shoe that's going to drop. I don't think Trump will be able to accept Mueller's statement that Trump has not been exonerated. His vanity or personality disorder (take your pick) will not allow him to move on, and his head will explode.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Another snippet from the previously linked slam-dunk:
Luckily for us all, this idiotic argument won’t last long. Barr now says that the Justice Department will be making the report available to the public by “mid-April, if not sooner,” and that “there are no plans to submit the report to the White House for a privilege review.”
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Bolding mine. It will sure be fun. :cool:
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Highlighting mine; that's not what he's delivering to the public, or to Congress, apparently, if he can avoid it. The Congressional oversight committees need to see the submitted, unredacted report, and there's no reason Barr can't provide that now.
 
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Belz... said:
On the other hand, Yuppy's a bit uncharitable. I'm sure Tesla just made a mistake.
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I don't think that Yuppy's initial question was brusque at all. He was just asking whether Tesla knew something he didn't. I didn't see Yuppy suggesting that Barr's report was accurate. I doubt Yuppy thinks he knows how accurate the letter was.

Tesla's response is uncharacteristic. He seems to have dug in rather than simply clarify what he meant. It happens.
 
WilliamSeger said:
Highlighting mine; that's not what he's delivering to the public, or to Congress, apparently, if he can avoid it. The Congressional oversight committees need to see the submitted, unredacted report, and there's no reason Barr can't provide that now.
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I'm sure Barr is busy thinking of reasons he can.

I have this strange feeling Trump is going to turn on Barr. He needs someone to fire.
 
WilliamSeger said:
Highlighting mine; that's not what he's delivering to the public, or to Congress, apparently, if he can avoid it. The Congressional oversight committees need to see the submitted, unredacted report, and there's no reason Barr can't provide that now.
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I'm not sure about the rule regarding grand jury proceedings. Does that preclude submitting such proceedings to oversight committees without a court approval?
 
WilliamSeger said:
Highlighting mine; that's not what he's delivering to the public, or to Congress, apparently, if he can avoid it. The Congressional oversight committees need to see the submitted, unredacted report, and there's no reason Barr can't provide that now.
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You can read what he said (yesterday) here which is exactly what Caitlin wrote in the snippet I quoted and linked to in the original article.
 
WilliamSeger said:
Highlighting mine; that's not what he's delivering to the public, or to Congress, apparently, if he can avoid it. The Congressional oversight committees need to see the submitted, unredacted report, and there's no reason [except GOP political gain] Barr can't provide that now.
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ftfy, or maybe I should say spelled it out.
 
Minoosh said:
I'm sure Barr is busy thinking of reasons he can.

I have this strange feeling Trump is going to turn on Barr. He needs someone to fire.
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Trump will turn on Barr if the parts of the Mueller report that are released make Trump look bad.
 
phiwum said:
I don't think that Yuppy's initial question was brusque at all. He was just asking whether Tesla knew something he didn't. I didn't see Yuppy suggesting that Barr's report was accurate. I doubt Yuppy thinks he knows how accurate the letter was.

Tesla's response is uncharacteristic. He seems to have dug in rather than simply clarify what he meant. It happens.
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I thought I did clarify. I misspoke.
 
phiwum said:
I'm not sure about the rule regarding grand jury proceedings. Does that preclude submitting such proceedings to oversight committees without a court approval?
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What I'm reading is that it would take a court ruling, but there's no good reason it shouldn't be granted in a case like this. A court could even approve allowing it to become public, but that's quite a bit more scrappy.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Trump will turn on Barr if the parts of the Mueller report that are released make Trump look bad.
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I think that's already happened. The special counsel did not exonerate Trump, and Barr let that slip. Maybe he felt he had to, to maintain his own credibility.

Is Trump going to accept the fact that Mueller says Trump was not exonerated? I think it's going to bug him. He can try to lie to himself, but I'm not sure how well that works for him. He's good at lying in general but he doesn't tolerate ambiguity well. He's got to be the most greatest, most innocent person ever. He sheds lawyers like fleas.
 
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