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Do they have a choice in the matter? Can they subpoena the full report before the DOJ sends it to their boss?
IIRC, previously it would have been unthinkable to even allow the White House to read the document before Congress, much less make unilateral redactions of an investigation into its own workings. Unthinkable, but technically legal, which we've been continually finding out in this administration is the best kind of legal.
 
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Congressman Adam Schiff, who spent two years knowingly and unlawfully lying and leaking, should be forced to resign from Congress!


To paraphrase Stephen Colbert's recent response to Trump's memo that people who have made unsubstantiated claims should no longer appear on TV:

"Goodbye Mr. Trump. We'll miss you."
 
IIRC, previously it would have been unthinkable to even allow the White House to read the document before Congress, much less make unilateral redactions of an investigation into its own workings. Unthinkable, but technically legal, which we've been continually finding out in this administration is the best kind of legal.

Yes, the whole thing reeks, but can the House prevent it?
 
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Wow, ratings for “Morning Joe,” which were really bad in the first place, just “tanked” with the release of the Mueller Report. Likewise, other shows on MSNBC and CNN have gone down by as much as 50%. Just shows, Fake News never wins!
 
If the report is complete why would it take any time at all to release it?

Trust me it doesn't take that long to scrub a document for classified/sensitive material and if you know you're going to have to do it anyway you just make a "declassified" version while you're doing it.

I think everyone is just stalling because they don't know what else to do. Both sides ("OMG you said both sides do u know how evil the republicans are why do you love the evil orange man....") have been selling the Mueller report as the thing that was going to settle... everything for so long the fact that now it's out and nothing changed because of course it wasn't going to leaves them with nowhere to go until they basically do a full reset.
 
Why of course I'm not defending Trump! I'm just a fair-mined arbiter of the facts.
Who said anything about defending the Trump presidency? I didn't vote for him in 2016 and it's highly unlikely that I'll vote for him in 2020.


Anywho... here's some grade-A conspiracy theory Trump propaganda I'm peddling:
Do you really believe that Mueller's hand picked "I'm with Her" lawyers wouldn't leak that if he attempted to do so for whatever reason?
 
If the report is complete why would it take any time at all to release it?

Trust me it doesn't take that long to scrub a document for classified/sensitive material and if you know you're going to have to do it anyway you just make a "declassified" version while you're doing it.

I think everyone is just stalling because they don't know what else to do. Both sides ("OMG you said both sides do u know how evil the republicans are why do you love the evil orange man....") have been selling the Mueller report as the thing that was going to settle... everything for so long the fact that now it's out and nothing changed because of course it wasn't going to leaves them with nowhere to go until they basically do a full reset.

You know, if you'd just said "everyone" there you wouldn't have triggered yourself.
 
Both sides have to be able to consider other points of view, otherwise you end up like all the people that were shocked that Mueller has been investigating collusion for two years and couldn't find any evidence.
I think he couldn't find proof. You are conflating evidence and proof. They are not synonyms.

For what it's worth, I think the case against Clinton (Bill, that is) was stronger than the case against Trump. I mean, he lied under oath. Trump was never put under oath, so he dodged that bullet rather adroitly. (Unless all his statements were taken from sworn depositions).

It's nice that the National Review tried to be evenhanded, but I see some logical flaws there. Prosecutors do not establish "innocence." They establish insufficient evidence to prove a crime. And I don't know how the writer can say both that the Dems and media came out looking worse, and yet there wouldn't have been an investigation had Trump not turned out to have *shockingly* poor judgment in picking his friends. Being a horrible judge of character is not, probably, an impeachable offense, but I think his judgment was so poor because his friends are just like him - and he's fine with that because he thinks he's a good guy.

And Trump is going to move on from here, working as a leader? Now he's going to pivot? Now he's going to show us how conciliatory he can be?

I wasn't the least surprised by the result, judging of course by the slender summary we've been given by the Trump administration. I've criticized the MSM. I kind of give props to MSNBC for openly labeling Maddow's show as commentary, because CNN definitely tried to have it both ways: Report the news but make sure you quote some anonymous sources, or past officials, saying what a *************** it is (I've given many examples on this forum). Yet I trust CNN pretty much when it comes to straight statements of fact. It's sure got a better record than the Trump administration.
 
If I join the chorus saying Dems should show some restraint it's because I trust Robert Mueller, who got 100 Senate votes on extending his FBI directorship. I have this theory, truth finds a way to be told. Optimistic of me, I know. But I do think that a fair prosecutor worked very diligently for two years to establish the facts. And Trump actually knows this, and it's going to drive him bat-crap crazy.

Not a very far trip for him, I know.
 
Right now the Dems need to decide do they want to defeat Trump legally or politically and stick to that.

Because if they keep trying to defeat Trump legally and failing, they are real risk of just handing a political victory to him.

Does anyone grasp how good Trump must look to his supporters right now? In their mind one of the biggest, deepest "witch huntiest" investigations in history just finished and they couldn't get crap on Trump.
 
Right now the Dems need to decide do they want to defeat Trump legally or politically and stick to that.

Because if they keep trying to defeat Trump legally and failing, they are real risk of just handing a political victory to him.

Does anyone grasp how good Trump must look to his supporters right now? In their mind one of the biggest, deepest "witch huntiest" investigations in history just finished and they couldn't get crap on Trump.

Well, hiding the report helps that quite a bit, but it's not the Democrats who started the investigation. It was the DOJ.
 
If the report is complete why would it take any time at all to release it?

Trust me it doesn't take that long to scrub a document for classified/sensitive material and if you know you're going to have to do it anyway you just make a "declassified" version while you're doing it.

I think everyone is just stalling because they don't know what else to do. Both sides ("OMG you said both sides do u know how evil the republicans are why do you love the evil orange man....") have been selling the Mueller report as the thing that was going to settle... everything for so long the fact that now it's out and nothing changed because of course it wasn't going to leaves them with nowhere to go until they basically do a full reset.

This is quite obviously false. ONE side did that, sure.

The other side quite clearly, repeatedly, and obviously sold the Mueller report as an illegitimate witch hunt.

And I know damn well you know this.
 
Trump is obviously a vampire who turned the entire Republican base into a copy of himself.

Case in point: critics are lying traitors until they say something nice about you. Then they have always been trustworthy friends.
 
You know, if you'd just said "everyone" there you wouldn't have triggered yourself.

Yes, I'm not even American, let alone a member of a "side".

Mind you, a month or two ago I did post an article saying that people shouldn't be expecting the Mueller report to be that much of a big deal and that it was a mistake to build it up or expect a smoking gun from it, so perhaps I don't count for part of the target audience of Joe's little rant.
 
Right now the Dems need to decide do they want to defeat Trump legally or politically and stick to that.

Because if they keep trying to defeat Trump legally and failing, they are real risk of just handing a political victory to him.

Does anyone grasp how good Trump must look to his supporters right now? In their mind one of the biggest, deepest "witch huntiest" investigations in history just finished and they couldn't get crap on Trump.

But it doesn't seem to be moving the needle one way or the other. If and when we finally learn what's in the Mueller report, that probably won't either.

Colbert did a great bit where he rolled out a whiteboard with a long list of reasons Trump is a terrible president and erased "colluded with Russians." Then he flipped the board over and erased "Mueller investigation" from the list of 17 ongoing investigations.

Defeating trumpism politically in 2020 depends on outnumbering trumpers at the polls, not mollifying or educating or deprogramming them, and certainly not on giving up on the liberal principle that no one is above the law. In fact, we should double down on it, and let the chips fall where they may.
 
Because if they keep trying to defeat Trump legally and failing, they are real risk of just handing a political victory to him.

Not necessarily. The decision not to prosecute Clinton still harmed her politically, and it's a minority of US citizens who believe that Mueller has exonerated Trump.
 
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