Mueller Investigation pt5
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Belz...
Fiend God
It's really eating him up inside.
Crossbow
Seeking Honesty and Sanity
I guess that is yet another reason why that stupid, idiotic, greedy, lying Trump does not want his tax returns made public.
Aridas
Crazy Little Green Dragon
A few roof tiles, a few trees...
Let's be absurdly generous. Half a million for super high class restoration costs?
slyjoe
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smartcooky
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Its easy to glaze over this because they just look like numbers on paper - this is what Trumpistas do all the time; glaze over Trump's criminality by dismissing it as Fake News, or lying Dems, or "Libruls LOL" or claiming that they are "only process crimes".
THIS IS BANK FRAUD. Its a crime that carries substantial prison time (just ask Paul Manafort, he's about to go to jail for at least a decade for, among other things, bank fraud).
In this case, Trump misrepresented the true value of one of his properties in order to over-inflate his apparent net worth so that he could get a bank loan from Deutsche Bank*. In order to fully grasp the extent of Trump's criminality in this, one needs to see this particular piece of misrepresentation graphically.....
* Its worth noting that DeutsheBank was the only bank who would lend Trump any money - all others refused him. DeutscheBank was also caught laundering Russian money in a "mirror-trading" scheme, to allow western businesses to bypass financial sanctions against Russian Banks.... HELLO? Is there anybody out there listening?
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acbytesla
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It wouldn't surprise me that Deutsche Bank knew or more likely kind of ignored the financial statements as part of the money laundering scheme. On paper the assets had to be listed at over-inflated numbers so it gets by regulators.
Crossbow
Seeking Honesty and Sanity
Great posting and thanks much.
Also, from what I understand is that DeutscheBank was essentially known in the financial world as sort of gangsters bank where all sorts of money laundering was done and that is why so many legitimate banks kept DeutscheBank at a discreet distance.
Anyway, I am sure that Trump knew full well just what sort of bank DeutscheBank really was and that is just why Trump got his financing from DeutscheBank to begin with.
a_unique_person
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They obviously didn't spend it on that trashy omlett bar.
a_unique_person
Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning
It's still an opinion. What the justice system would make of it is totally unpredictable.
dudalb
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TO be fair, that DOJ opinion was expressed a long time before Trump took office. and it applies only to federal charges.
dudalb
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Trump might have been referred to DeutshcheBank by some of the friends he allegedly had in a certain Italian American Fraternal Organization.
Venom
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Nothing short of kicking Trump out of office may satisfy some of Trump's biggest opponents.
I think in this regard the Mueller report will be a letdown. I called it two years ago. Many of his campaign management may be recommended jail time and any Russians who were involved in coordinating with elements of Trump's campaign will be deported (if they haven't been already) or inaccessible.
There won't be enough evidence to indict Trump on anything related to Russian interference.
I think in this regard the Mueller report will be a letdown. I called it two years ago. Many of his campaign management may be recommended jail time and any Russians who were involved in coordinating with elements of Trump's campaign will be deported (if they haven't been already) or inaccessible.
There won't be enough evidence to indict Trump on anything related to Russian interference.
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CapelDodger
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I'm not sure about any pairing of "Trump" and "knew". More likely, I think, is that DeutscheBank knew just what Trump was and what he needed, and came to him offering it at a hefty premium, in what Trump was persuaded was a great deal for him. It will have looked that way before they sold his debt to the Russian mob.
If you're going to sup in these circles you'd better be smart and aware. Trump's father was. Trump was born not to be. Such a disappointment.
Norman Alexander
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You can count me as one of Trump's "biggest opponents". And I would love him to stay his full term but get voted out in 2020. Why? Because Team Trump is nose-diving the USA into the ground in a flaming heap and there's nothing stopping them so far. Which is dreadful for the USA but great for the rest of us who are not Americans. One of our biggest global competitors in our region is killing themselves. Which leaves the field open to us if we are smart enough to take their place. Old maxim: Never interfere with your enemy when he is making a mistake. And Trump is a mistake of gob-stopping proportions.
Haven't seen any news yet, so am commenting in the blind...
Manafort got off pretty damn easy. I hope his pity-inducement ploy wasn't a swaying factor. The sumbitch enjoyed the fruits of his ill-gotten gains until into retirement age, FFS. Twenty years in the clink now would be better for him than the same stretch were he still in his thirties. He got away with crimes during the best years of his life. Better to rot in prison in one's dotage than in one's youth. He lucked out, really. It would've been worse on him had his comeuppance arrived twenty or thirty years ago. I hope the financial hit from the forfeitures levied against him really bite.
It steams me when something like a confused woman votes illegally and gets a goddamned 25-year (?) sentence, and a puke-bag like this gets a mere 4 years after decades of willful conniving involving tens of millions of dollars, and showing no remorse at all (indeed, still criming away during his trial.)
Oh well. Maybe this might reduce the chance of Drumpf coming to the rescue with pardon in hand...
Manafort got off pretty damn easy. I hope his pity-inducement ploy wasn't a swaying factor. The sumbitch enjoyed the fruits of his ill-gotten gains until into retirement age, FFS. Twenty years in the clink now would be better for him than the same stretch were he still in his thirties. He got away with crimes during the best years of his life. Better to rot in prison in one's dotage than in one's youth. He lucked out, really. It would've been worse on him had his comeuppance arrived twenty or thirty years ago. I hope the financial hit from the forfeitures levied against him really bite.
It steams me when something like a confused woman votes illegally and gets a goddamned 25-year (?) sentence, and a puke-bag like this gets a mere 4 years after decades of willful conniving involving tens of millions of dollars, and showing no remorse at all (indeed, still criming away during his trial.)
Oh well. Maybe this might reduce the chance of Drumpf coming to the rescue with pardon in hand...
CapelDodger
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So what'll happen to the 47 months?
Trebuchet
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I'd guess DB also knew what Trump's property was actually worth, but needed him to inflate it for their own books.
Norman Alexander
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I thought I read recently that he is being sentenced for a number of convictions, and the sentences have to be served sequentially, not concurrently.
https://www.vox.com/2019/3/7/18253686/paul-manafort-sentenced-mueller-trump-russia
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