Mueller Investigation pt5

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WilliamSeger said:
You're deliberately missing the plot: The Russians approached Trump Jr. to arrange a quid pro quo trade. Stop kidding yourself.
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Nope. It's the same thing as hiring a British spy. Uranium One. What happened to Clinton's e-mails?? The Foundation was pay-for-play, folks. The Clintons were going to Moscow to build a tower.
 
Cain said:
Nope. It's the same thing as hiring a British spy. Uranium One. What happened to Clinton's e-mails?? The Foundation was pay-for-play, folks. The Clintons were going to Moscow to build a tower [to heaven].
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ftfy

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WilliamSeger said:
You're deliberately missing the plot: The Russians approached Trump Jr. to arrange a quid pro quo trade. Stop kidding yourself.
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Stop kidding yourself. The DNC and Clinton campaign gave something(money) for something(dirt on Trump).

Trump Jr. was promised something (dirt on Clinton) for… what, exactly?
 
Bogative said:
Stop kidding yourself. The DNC and Clinton campaign gave something(money) for something(dirt on Trump).

Trump Jr. was promised something (dirt on Clinton) for… what, exactly?
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Here, have this bucket of white wash. It's called 'tu quoque fail in oh so many ways'.
 
Bogative said:
Stop kidding yourself. The DNC and Clinton campaign gave something(money) for something(dirt on Trump).

Trump Jr. was promised something (dirt on Clinton) for… what, exactly?
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Where have you been? They wanted Magnitsky Act sanctions relief -- a policy change worth billions to the oligarchs.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Of course, I get that. But was Trump afraid of being recorded or overheard? That only leaves not trusting Cohen to keep quiet.
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Trump with his father literally grew up in the business by dealing with mobsters. Leaving no digital or paper trail is second nature to him, so much so that he doesn't understand that other people actually do keep records (like Comey's memos).
 
WilliamSeger said:
Where have you been? They wanted Magnitsky Act sanctions relief -- a policy change worth billions to the oligarchs.
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There was no mention of a quid pro quo in the email Trump Jr received. The Trump team went to the meeting expecting to give nothing for the information, they gave nothing, and they left with nothing. No quid pro quo, no collusion.
 
Bogative said:
There was no mention of a quid pro quo in the email Trump Jr received. The Trump team went to the meeting expecting to give nothing for the information, they gave nothing, and they left with nothing. No quid pro quo, no collusion.
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I'm pretty sure you could figure this out if it were Chelsea instead of Junior. There didn't need to be a mention of quid pro quo in the email. If the Russians wanted to help Trump simply because they didn't want Hillary to be president, they could have just released everything they had through WikiLeaks and left the Trump campaign completely clean. We have good reason to question the collective intelligence of Junior, Kushner, and Manafort, but that's an excuse too implausible. (And by the way, your assurance of what did and didn't happen in the meeting is unconvincing; we're only on Version 5.0.)
 
WilliamSeger said:
I'm pretty sure you could figure this out if it were Chelsea instead of Junior. There didn't need to be a mention of quid pro quo in the email. If the Russians wanted to help Trump simply because they didn't want Hillary to be president, they could have just released everything they had through WikiLeaks and left the Trump campaign completely clean. We have good reason to question the collective intelligence of Junior, Kushner, and Manafort, but that's an excuse too implausible. (And by the way, your assurance of what did and didn't happen in the meeting is unconvincing; we're only on Version 5.0.)
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If Chelsea thought she was going to get dirt on Donnie, it's unimaginable that she wouldn't run to Mommy and Daddy for a pat on the head. There she would have learned from the masters of sleazy political behavior to wash the dirt through a law firm instead of going directly to the source.
 
Bogative said:
If Chelsea thought she was going to get dirt on Donnie, it's unimaginable that she wouldn't run to Mommy and Daddy for a pat on the head. There she would have learned from the masters of sleazy political behavior to wash the dirt through a law firm instead of going directly to the source.
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That's not whataboutism, but "whatifism".

"Whatabout if someone else did something bad, then you can't criticise my hero because I have imagined someone else could do the same"
 
Bogative said:
Stop kidding yourself. The DNC and Clinton campaign gave something(money) for something(dirt on Trump).

Trump Jr. was promised something (dirt on Clinton) for… what, exactly?
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Also the conditions established for Mueller's investigation let them look into any other wrong doing apart from Russian collusion that they might have come across. If you think Trump's bad behaviour was limited to his dealings with the Russians, boy do we have some bad news for you!
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Of course, I get that. But was Trump afraid of being recorded or overheard? That only leaves not trusting Cohen to keep quiet.
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I agree, but I was more getting at why Trump was able to get Cohen to commit crimes on his behalf without directly telling him to do so. Its the "speaking in code" that Cohen talked about.
 
Bogative said:
Stop kidding yourself. The DNC and Clinton campaign gave something(money) for something(dirt on Trump).

Trump Jr. was promised something (dirt on Clinton) for… what, exactly?
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...except that the Dems documented each and every step they took, so that everyone could see exactly what they were doing as they did it.

Meanwhile, Deceitful Donny kept what he and his cronies were doing a secret, and when they got found out, they lied about it and fabricated stories to try to cover up what they did.. and they are still denying it the face of mounting evidence.

That is the difference between honesty and corruption.
 
Bogative said:
If Chelsea thought she was going to get dirt on Donnie, it's unimaginable that she wouldn't run to Mommy and Daddy for a pat on the head. There she would have learned from the masters of sleazy political behavior to wash the dirt through a law firm instead of going directly to the source.
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Well, I walked right into that one, didn't I. I should have known what to expect when I invited a trumper to imagine it was Chelsea, but at least you're conceding the point. :rolleyes:
 
jimbob said:
That's not whataboutism, but "whatifism".

"Whatabout if someone else did something bad, then you can't criticise my hero because I have imagined someone else could do the same"
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I'm coining a neologism: tu quoque imaginarium
 
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