Mueller Investigation pt5

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The Big Dog said:
Sigh...

Senate does investigation, finds no collusion
Schiff is gearing up to do an investigation,
Schiff writes an editorial about the Russia investigation and claims that his republican colleagues totally agree with him in private and should come out and support his investigation, which would be totally unnecessary if Mueller found evidence of collusion, which know he has not yet done
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Do you understand that the DOJ has a different set of goals and purposes for the Mueller investigation - fundamentally, to see if a crime or crimes were committed - than a House committee, which has oversight responsibilities that include properly discovering things that may not be crimes?
 
The Big Dog said:
Then don’t make them. For example when I cite the Senate conclusions and the undeniable fact that Mueller’s “results” thus far have shown no collusion, ...
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That's quite deniable, e.g. the secret Trump Tower meeting to get dirt on Hillary in exchange for dropping Magnitsky Act sanctions; the secret Trump Tower Moscow negotiations continuing right up to the election; Manafort giving private polling data to Kilimnik; at least 17 Trump people having over 100 contacts with Russians that they either tried to hide or directly lied about. You've completely lost the plot. Did you know that the proverbial "smoking gun" is an example of circumstantial evidence, not direct evidence?

... the response should not ever be to pollute the thread with laughably false accusations of arguments from ignorance.
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Maybe an example of a typical argument from ignorance will help: Nobody the Senate committee interviewed confessed, therefore there was no collusion.
 
Mojo said:
cough *you think that means “like iron”, don’t you?* cough
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why, did you get a post that was not nothing but a substance free attack on another poster that was not actively engaged in the discussion, because that is what I got...
 
WilliamSeger said:
Maybe an example of a typical argument from ignorance will help: Nobody the Senate committee interviewed confessed, therefore there was no collusion.
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That is not an argument from ignorance, that is just an ignorant argument, one that was created by The Poet if I recall correctly
 
The Big Dog said:
That is not an argument from ignorance, that is just an ignorant argument, one that was created by The Poet if I recall correctly
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Lol, another swing and a miss. You were supposed to say that it's a straw-man argument from ignorance because that's not really what you were trying to say, even though that's exactly what you were trying to imply. And, I see that you don't want to revisit your peculiar argument that Schiff's determination to make sure the Mueller report will be public implies that it must be a "nothingburger." I don't know if there's a proper name for that fallacy, but naming it isn't necessary: it's just an invalid inference, a.k.a. fuzzy thinking.
 
WilliamSeger said:
That's quite deniable, e.g. the secret Trump Tower meeting to get dirt on Hillary in exchange for dropping Magnitsky Act sanctions; the secret Trump Tower Moscow negotiations continuing right up to the election; Manafort giving private polling data to Kilimnik; at least 17 Trump people having over 100 contacts with Russians that they either tried to hide or directly lied about. You've completely lost the plot. Did you know that the proverbial "smoking gun" is an example of circumstantial evidence, not direct evidence?
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Look, it's all very simple. All of that is based on the Steele Dossier, which was paid for by Clinton and is thus totally discredited. Ergo ditto omnia sum, as Big Dog lawyers say, and your case collapses.
 
WilliamSeger said:
Lol, another swing and a miss. You were supposed to say that it's a straw-man argument from ignorance because that's not really what you were trying to say, even though that's exactly what you were trying to imply.
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Oof. No, I said that the Poet's argument was ignorant, indeed TBD nuked it from orbit a few days ago. Y'all seem to have fallen into the fallacy fallacy trap.

It is cool, the big dog will talk you through it
 
Is there anyone Manafort's supected of speaking truth to? I vaguely recall (but could be wrong) that at least one of his daughters has described him as having no moral compass whatsoever, so he presumably shared some truths that led her to that conclusion.
 
CapelDodger said:
Is there anyone Manafort's supected of speaking truth to? I vaguely recall (but could be wrong) that at least one of his daughters has described him as having no moral compass whatsoever, so he presumably shared some truths that led her to that conclusion.
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Yup

https://spectator.us/mom-tested-stds-manaforts-home-life/

Including the immortal text "Has Mom been tested for STDs?"

ETA:
“mom thinks the power went to his head”

“with Ukraine”

“Right…that it has turned him into a moral-less ethic-less person”

“he is just power crazed…controling. obsessive.”

“He has no moral or legal compass”

“You know he has killed people in Ukraine? Knowingly”

“What?! No”

“Don’t fool yourself. That money we have is blood money”
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The Big Dog said:
I looked at Schiff's silly little op ed in the WaPo today...

it looks like the Mueller report is really going to be a big nothingburger, huh?
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That really is an infantile expression that detracts from credibility. You, and others, should not use it.

IMO the Mueller report will be substantial and will clarify most aspects of the situations he is investigating. He may report real instances of Trump's involvement with illegal activities pertaining to Russia. He may report that Trump had no such involvement. Either way the report will be very interesting and provide clarity. It will be subject to minute analysis, both professional and amateur ( like here). It will definitely NOT be "nothing".
 
As the Mueller investigation continues, it's quite disturbing that the perp under investigation continues merrily on in his job.
 
The Big Dog said:
:confused:

Not a fan of presumption of innocence, due process, or the fact that elections mean something?

Hoo boy....
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You call having the Republicans in Congress running interference so justice doesn't happen "due process"?

Hmmm.
 
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