Mueller Investigation pt5

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phiwum said:
Schiff's letter stands on its own. He makes no predictions about the Mueller report, either explicitly or implicitly.

Indeed, here is the most relevant excerpt I can find.



I don't see how you get from that to "Mueller got nothing" (not a quote). Schiff says he is willing to wait and see. So am I. It may be devastating to the President. It may say that there's no evidence the President knew about Russian interference or even may be exculpatory evidence. We'll see.

You sure are gonna look foolish (and not for the first time) if the report is damning. But, of course, you'll deny any damning bits as Deep State trickery and add a heavy bit of diversion to the sins of Clinton and Obama, I'm willing to wager. That's one thing I feel confident in forecasting.
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Oh hell, Schiff’s is already gearing up to start an investigation in anticipation of the Mueller report being a failure. The senate investigation was done and found no evidence of collusion.

Mueller has thus far shown jack diddly squat about Russian collusion.

And if my writing that it looks like it is going to be a nothingburger triggers you, well as we say in the South, bless your heart.

Good luck with the investigation!
 
The Big Dog said:
Oh hell, Schiff’s is already gearing up to start an investigation in anticipation of the Mueller report being a failure. The senate investigation was done and found no evidence of collusion.

Mueller has thus far shown jack diddly squat about Russian collusion.

And if my writing that it looks like it is going to be a nothingburger triggers you, well as we say in the South, bless your heart.

Good luck with the investigation!
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That's nice. Now, tell me: what in Schiff's open letter leads you to conclude that the Mueller report will be underwhelming? You insist that you got this impression from the letter itself. Point out the bits, will you?

Because what Schiff explicitly suggested is that we should all wait and see what's in the report. That doesn't sound like he's expecting nothing much, but rather he's withholding his judgment about the contents. Sounds pretty prudent to me.

The Mueller report really wasn't the point of Schiff's letter at all, for that matter.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Another content-free back-and-forth with TBD.

Another thread close to being ruined.

Sigh.
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Huh, cite Schiff’s article, discuss the senate report, discuss the lack of progress thus far, discuss the fact that the House is gearing up to do their own investigation, all in a few short posts.... the echo chamber is ruined!

/Serious question, do you recognize the level of irony in that post? I am fascinated that was the post you felt was needed to make the thread totally better. Just wow.
 
phiwum said:
That's nice. Now, tell me: what in Schiff's open letter leads you to conclude that the Mueller report will be underwhelming? You insist that you got this impression from the letter itself. Point out the bits, will you?

Because what Schiff explicitly suggested is that we should all wait and see what's in the report. That doesn't sound like he's expecting nothing much, but rather he's withholding his judgment about the contents. Sounds pretty prudent to me.

The Mueller report really wasn't the point of Schiff's letter at all, for that matter.
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Stop, I did not "insist that you got this impression from the letter itself." That is ridiculous, why would have said that when Schiff is running off at the mouth constantly about how he is going to start a big investigation on Russian collusion in the House?
 
The Big Dog said:
Stop, I did not "insist that you got this impression from the letter itself." That is ridiculous, why would have said that when Schiff is running off at the mouth constantly about how he is going to start a big investigation on Russian collusion in the House?
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I sure got the impression that your comments were based on Schiff's open letter. Let's see why.

The Big Dog said:
I looked at Schiff's silly little op ed in the WaPo today...

it looks like the Mueller report is really going to be a big nothingburger, huh?
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Ah. Here's the first point. Your prediction about the report seems to be based on the letter in this post. No other comments are mentioned. And then there's this response to Varwoche.

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So, you think he just totally ignored the fact I referred to Schiff’s idiotic editorial? K.
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Now you claim that the "nothingburger" comment wasn't based on Schiff's letter? Okay, whatever. It was based on other comments by Schiff, none of which you refer to and hence we cannot guess what prompted this prediction.

That's some fine prognosticatin' there, coupled with an unassailable assessment of the evidence. All mighty impressed, I can tell you.

ETA: Just to be clear, preparing to open an investigation in the House on the Trump/Russian issue doesn't indicate that Schiff expects the Mueller report to be a dud. If the Mueller report is a blockbuster, then the House committee will review its contents and evidence. If it's a dud, they may think that Mueller left some stones unturned. That Schiff is planning a House committee investigation (and I'll take your word for this, as I haven't paid close attention) is pretty damned poor evidence of Schiff's expectations regarding the Mueller report.

But, of course, you clearly were claiming that the open letter was evidence of low expectations, regardless of your backtrack here.
 
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phiwum said:
I sure got the impression that your comments were based on Schiff's open letter. Let's see whyu.
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Cool. You were wrong. Bit surprised that you were not aware of the constant bleating of Schiff about his investigation.

Weird.

Oh well, now you know.

Hat tip to TBD
 
I used to enjoy playing whack-a-mole in the arcade. Not so much here.

the letter, neener neener <whack!>
no not the letter, whatever gave you that idea? neener neener <whack!>

Infantile dishonesty on steroids. Ho-hum, another day in the ISF politics section.
 
varwoche said:
I used to enjoy playing whack-a-mole in the arcade. Not so much here.

the letter, neener neener <whack!>
no not the letter, whatever gave you that idea? neener neener <whack!>

Infantile dishonesty on steroids. Ho-hum, another day in the ISF politics section.
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That was infantile dishonesty.

The claim was that I got this from the letter itself, which as we have seen was a lie, because it ignores Schiff’s body of work. Why in Christ’s name would people ignore that. The op ed was just the latest cry in the woods of a failed autocrat.
 
The Big Dog said:
Oh hell, Schiff’s is already gearing up to start an investigation in anticipation of the Mueller report being a failure. The senate investigation was done and found no evidence of collusion.

Mueller has thus far shown jack diddly squat about Russian collusion.

And if my writing that it looks like it is going to be a nothingburger triggers you, well as we say in the South, bless your heart.

Good luck with the investigation!
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As a self-declared expert in logical fallacies, surely you know that argument from ignorance doesn't work, whether the ignorance is real or feigned. Your politically motivated indifference is as irrelevant as your willful ignorance to those of us who want to know why so many people told so many lies about colluding with Russia. Anyway, what the letter says is that Schiff is "gearing up" to make sure that the Mueller report doesn't get buried, which would imply rather the opposite of what you make of it.
 
The Big Dog said:
That was infantile dishonesty.

The claim was that I got this from the letter itself, which as we have seen was a lie, because it ignores Schiff’s body of work. Why in Christ’s name would people ignore that. The op ed was just the latest cry in the woods of a failed autocrat.
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No the claim was that you implied this: which is what this post does indeed imply:

The Big Dog said:
I looked at Schiff's silly little op ed in the WaPo today...

it looks like the Mueller report is really going to be a big nothingburger, huh?
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An example

I saw Trump's latest Tweet

It looks as though he's going guilty of many electoral crimes.​

Tecnically these statements are true. And there is indeed an implied connection between the two but there isn't.
 
WilliamSeger said:
As a self-declared expert in logical fallacies, surely you know that argument from ignorance doesn't work, whether the ignorance is real or feigned. Your politically motivated indifference is as irrelevant as your willful ignorance to those of us who want to know why so many people told so many lies about colluding with Russia. Anyway, what the letter says is that Schiff is "gearing up" to make sure that the Mueller report doesn't get buried, which would imply rather the opposite of what you make of it.
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Then don’t make them. For example when I cite the Senate conclusions and the undeniable fact that Mueller’s “results” thus far have shown no collusion, the response should not ever be to pollute the thread with laughably false accusations of arguments from ignorance.
 
jimbob said:
No the claim was that you implied this: which is what this post does indeed imply:


An example

I saw Trump's latest Tweet

It looks as though he's going guilty of many electoral crimes.​

Tecnically these statements are true. And there is indeed an implied connection between the two but there isn't.
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Sigh...

Senate does investigation, finds no collusion
Schiff is gearing up to do an investigation,
Schiff writes an editorial about the Russia investigation and claims that his republican colleagues totally agree with him in private and should come out and support his investigation, which would be totally unnecessary if Mueller found evidence of collusion, which know he has not yet done
 
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varwoche said:
I used to enjoy playing whack-a-mole in the arcade. Not so much here.

the letter, neener neener <whack!>
no not the letter, whatever gave you that idea? neener neener <whack!>

Infantile dishonesty on steroids. Ho-hum, another day in the ISF politics section.
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Agreed. I don't care to continue a pointless discussion.
 
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