Mueller Investigation pt5

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acbytesla said:
Both, the paradox, the absurdity and no win situation we are in reminds of that book. Although, without the humor.
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The book may have fended off the Milo Minderbinders for a generation or two, they inherited the world in the end, and subjected it to one hell of a tight bomb-pattern.
 
Trebuchet said:
Not a legal eagle so I don't know. But obviously covering it up is going to be nothing but bad for Trump; and he's going to need a LOT of plumbers.
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Get his lawyer on to it, whats his face, "Giuliani", he is a goddam geeenanus, and absolute sexual tranasuar of a Lawyer.
 
If Mueller doesn't find a way, or assure a way, his report isn't thwarted by Trump installed allies, I'm going to be so disappointed. Surely Mueller understands the stakes.

Trump pardoning everyone involved is another risk our democracy faces.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
I have been saying it since Trump got elected that the GOP needs to cut out the cancer by itself, or it will be tainted for decades to come.

But I fear Stegno is right in that Trumpers have invested too much of their identity into The Donald to admit to themselves and the world that they have been conned.
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Especially with the RNC now intertwined with Trump. All the House and Senate guys depend on appendages like NRCC and NRSC for national joint fundraising.

The party has put its head in a noose with Trump holding the lever.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
Especially with the RNC now intertwined with Trump. All the House and Senate guys depend on appendages like NRCC and NRSC for national joint fundraising.

The party has put its head in a noose with Trump holding the lever.
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He's not holding the lever, he's the rope.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
If Mueller doesn't find a way, or assure a way, his report isn't thwarted by Trump installed allies, I'm going to be so disappointed. Surely Mueller understands the stakes.
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In Ari Melber's "The Beat" today, it was mentioned that, this afternoon, trolleys of file boxes were being wheeled out of the offices of the Special Counsel.

Is Mueller taking steps like the Obama Administration did in the last few days of his Presidency, and Andrew McCabe did just after Comey's firing, to prevernt all the evidence being disappeared by Trump and his supporters on the Hill.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
We haven’t heard from Giuliani for quite some time, have we?



Think he’s been muzzled?
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He’s probably tied up in Trumps basement, chained to a box wearing a gimp mask and stockings and short leather skirt sleeping on a plastic “wipe clean” mat. (Not that there’s anything wrong with that!). [emoji43]


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smartcooky said:
In Ari Melber's "The Beat" today, it was mentioned that, this afternoon, trolleys of file boxes were being wheeled out of the offices of the Special Counsel.

Is Mueller taking steps like the Obama Administration did in the last few days of his Presidency, and Andrew McCabe did just after Comey's firing, to prevernt all the evidence being disappeared by Trump and his supporters on the Hill.
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you'd like to think that this stuff was copied onto a few different digital media devices too though.

I am betting that there will be lots of smoke, with a hint of Russian fire, but will be put out promptly and the whole thing ends as a damp squib. (I hope not though)

I really think if they are going to get Trump himself, it will be by other means (Tax returns or other unlawful stuff) - but after he is no longer the pres.
 
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WilliamSeger said:
Justice Department preparing for Mueller report as early as next week
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This seems incredibly unlikely. He literally just subpoenaed Brittany Kaiser within the last 7 days. He only received copies of major players' testimony to Congress (including various bits of perjury) last week. Manafort hasn't been sentenced and, facing the real possibility of dying in prison, may decide to cooperate after all. Corsi has yet to be indicted. None of Trump's children have been interviewed. And so on.

In other words, if the investigation is really coming to an end then what that means is that it's being shut down, not that Mueller is in any way finished.

But let's take this with the same pinch of salt that we've had to take every other report of it shutting down.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
This seems incredibly unlikely. He literally just subpoenaed Brittany Kaiser within the last 7 days. He only received copies of major players' testimony to Congress (including various bits of perjury) last week. Manafort hasn't been sentenced and, facing the real possibility of dying in prison, may decide to cooperate after all. Corsi has yet to be indicted. None of Trump's children have been interviewed. And so on.

In other words, if the investigation is really coming to an end then what that means is that it's being shut down, not that Mueller is in any way finished.

But let's take this with the same pinch of salt that we've had to take every other report of it shutting down.
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NBC News seems to be reporting along these lines, too, incidentally. I'd take it with a grain of salt, too, but... I'd also say that there's a decent chance that the Congressional testimonies turned over to Mueller add little to nothing new (besides allowing for charges of perjury to be added to the charges at hand). As for Corsi and Trump's children... would it be surprising for them to simply be indicted based on a lot of firm evidence?

I wouldn't automatically assume that it was being shut down, depending on the actual results, in other words. With that said, I wouldn't rule it out, either. Nor would I rule out a decision being made to wind things down early and take what they've got, because every day some of these people are in positions of power, that's another day of undermining the US and bringing the world closer to catastrophe. Especially now that the "adults" are effectively gone from the White House.
 
Aridas said:
NBC News seems to be reporting along these lines, too, incidentally.
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NBC literally said they were speculating.

Nor would I rule out a decision being made to wind things down early and take what they've got, because every day some of these people are in positions of power, that's another day of undermining the US and bringing the world closer to catastrophe. Especially now that the "adults" are effectively gone from the White House.
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If there's one thing that seemingly everybody not pushing a conspiracy theory seems to agree on it's that Mueller is by-the-book and doesn't make decisions based on politics. So I don't see these factors figuring into his actions at all.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
If there's one thing that seemingly everybody not pushing a conspiracy theory seems to agree on it's that Mueller is by-the-book and doesn't make decisions based on politics. So I don't see these factors figuring into his actions at all.
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Does it actually count as politics if, for example, Mueller already had firm evidence that Trump and co were willing foreign assets and continued to be willing assets, but hadn't finished investigating a bunch of other crimes that were turned up in the course of the investigation? In such a case, I definitely wouldn't consider it "political" to ship off a bunch of the other crime investigations to those who would more normally hold jurisdiction for investigating those crimes and present the firm evidence at hand. It's not so much that that the motivations to do so are "political" so much as upholding "national security."
 
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