Mueller Investigation pt5

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Iamafalser said:
I mostly just lurk here for entertainment purposes but I can't figure something out:

On the one hand, Trump is an out of control idiot/crazy person who acts solely on impulse without thinking things through, right?

Yet at the same time he's also some sort of criminal mastermind who's been engaged in all sorts of criminal activity like money laundering or whatever for decades and being Putin's bitch without ever leaving a shred of legally incriminating evidence behind.

I'm sorry but these two scenarios simply do not seem at all congruous to me.
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I am in the group who thinks he is not a criminal mastermind. No idea how big this group is.

He is a grifter who grasps at the closest bauble, presumably behaviour he learnt as a child and never grew out of.

This results in him getting caught up in all kinds of monumental cock ups, like Russia, casinos, Airlines, universities, unpaid debts, misappropriated finds. All of them involve shady and unethical business practices. All of them involve a merry band of like minded grifters who also have their own agenda.

Now that he is president what were ordinary every day white collar crimes that law enforcers don't treat the same way as violent crime, his regular way of dealing with life takes on much more importance.

He is dealing with enemies of the state, rogue nuclear powers and dragging the name of the USA through the mud. He is treating long time allies with contempt. He even ripped off his inauguration.
 
a_unique_person said:
Mueller is playing his cards close to his chest. Investigations often have information they don't reveal till they have to, which can be never.
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Sure. I understand and accept that. But Trebuchet says Trump's "henchmen" have already been convicted of stuff that you're saying Mueller hasn't even disclosed yet. Trebuchet is even using these convictions as evidence that Trump has done the things he's accused of.

So which is it? And why are you taking me to task, for what is actually Trebuchet's claim?
 
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theprestige said:
Sure. I understand and accept that. But Trebuchet says Trump's "henchmen" have already been convicted of stuff that you're saying Mueller hasn't even disclosed yet. Trebuchet's is even using these convictions as evidence that Trump has done the things he's accused of.

So which is it? And why are you taking me to task, for what is actually Trebuchet's claim.
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Those who have made deals get to plead to lesser crimes that don't give away the main game.

As to what Trump is guilty of, I have made no decision yet. He is a grifter who surrounds himself with like minded low life. His long history of white collar crime and shady business practices indicates to me he is guilty something.

He got off to a good start ripping off his own inauguration event so I don't expect anything has changed. He is so stupid he probably had no idea how the Russians were using him.
 
Segnosaur said:
Sarah Huckabee Sanders was interviewed as part of the Mueller investigation...

From: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/15/spe...p-press-secretary-sarah-huckabee-sanders.html
Special counsel Robert Mueller's team has interviewed President Donald Trump's press secretary, Sarah Huckabee Sanders...That interview reportedly occurred in early fall of 2018.

I do wonder in the value of interviewing someone like her, whether Mueller expects to get any valuable information on her, or whether she was interviewed as a way to send a message to Trump.
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I pity the people who had to inverview her. Really bad duty.
 
a_unique_person said:
Mueller is playing his cards close to his chest. Investigations often have information they don't reveal till they have to, which can be never.
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Kinda have to play them close to the chest when you have nothing don't you?

Two yrs now and nothing but procedural mumbo jumbo.
 
a_unique_person said:
Those who have made deals get to plead to lesser crimes that don't give away the main game.

As to what Trump is guilty of, I have made no decision yet. He is a grifter who surrounds himself with like minded low life. His long history of white collar crime and shady business practices indicates to me he is guilty something.

He got off to a good start ripping off his own inauguration event so I don't expect anything has changed. He is so stupid he probably had no idea how the Russians were using him.
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This doesn't actually address any of my points, nor answer any of my questions.
 
a_unique_person said:
Convictions and jail terms don't count?
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I'm gonna tell you something. There obviously is no collusion. His report, IF he writes one is going to be very disappointing for the media. The Dems will probably stomp and act upset but they don't really want impeachment proceedings. That would lead to disclosure.
And a whole bunch of bad stuff will be exposed. And isn't Trump who will be in trouble.
 
Drysdale said:
I'm gonna tell you something. There obviously is no collusion. His report, IF he writes one is going to be very disappointing for the media. The Dems will probably stomp and act upset but they don't really want impeachment proceedings. That would lead to disclosure.
And a whole bunch of bad stuff will be exposed. And isn't Trump who will be in trouble.
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Funny how they lied about all those meetings and tried to pretend that they never happened, isn't it? Why did they do that? Just for a laugh?

Oh yeah, why did Trump have all those private meetings with Putin, with no one else allowed to know what was said? Who the hell does something like that if they aren't up to something? Oh right, they were planning a surprise party for, er... something...
 
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