Mueller Investigation pt5

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Lurch said:
We'll have to look for an important distinction in Mueller's report, revolving around the precise ordering of four words:

No evidence of collusion.

Evidence of no collusion.

Trumpistas are currently taking the former to mean the latter.
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This is only important if "collusion" actually refers to unethical and/or criminal activity.
 
In a tight election, everything can be the determining factor.
And there is solid research showing that the Russian meddling was enough to tip the scales.
And since it was blatantly illegal, it makes little sense to put the fault on other factors.
If you need $100,000, raise $105,000 and then get $10,000 stolen, why should people blame you for not making more money so that the theft wouldn't have mattered?
 
Lurch said:
We'll have to look for an important distinction in Mueller's report, revolving around the precise ordering of four words:

No evidence of collusion.

Evidence of no collusion.

Trumpistas are currently taking the former to mean the latter.
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And the anti-Trump crowd is insisting that we need the latter, even though the former is all that's ever possible. Like Russel's teapot.
 
acbytesla said:
Nonsense. You think just because something may not be illegal makes it right?
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You're arguing about the wrong thing with the wrong person. I actually think there are plenty of things that are legal but wrong to do. I also think that collusion is a perfectly cromulent way to refer to unethical and/or illegal activities. But there is some dispute in this thread about that term. If Lurch is trying to make a point about what the Mueller report has to say about "collusion", he should probably keep in mind that his audience may not interpret the word the way he does.
 
cmikes said:
...I support the practice of asylum seekers waiting in their home country .....
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So persecuted or endangered, asylum seekers should wait where their lives are threatened for their cases to come up? Do you understand the concept of asylum? :rolleyes:
 
Lurch said:
We'll have to look for an important distinction in Mueller's report, revolving around the precise ordering of four words:

No evidence of collusion.

Evidence of no collusion.

Trumpistas are currently taking the former to mean the latter.
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It's worse than that. Trumpistas are currently taking 'not enough evidence to establish beyond a shred of doubt that there was collusion' to mean 'evidence of no collusion.'
 
Ziggurat said:
And the anti-Trump crowd is insisting that we need the latter, even though the former is all that's ever possible. Like Russel's teapot.
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Sadly, many Trumpistas don't realize that they don't even have the former. We do have evidence of collusion, apparently just not enough for the DOJ to buck the rules of not indicting a sitting President.
 
uke2se said:
Can anyone explain why US media aren't questioning Barr's summary of the report? If I'm wrong and they are, could anyone link? I only find such questioning on left-leaning online magazines.

To me it's fairly obvious that Barr's summary of the report isn't sufficient as it answers precisely zero questions honestly.
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Some of the media is most definitely questioning Barr's summary. Part of the problem with the mainstream, however, is they are also giving more time to Trump and the Trump propagandists.

For example Kellyanne Conway is out there screaming faux outrage that Congressman Schiff should resign. Not only is the press giving that unwarranted air time, reporters went chasing after Schiff to ask what his reaction to Conway was. Seriously, the press gave Conway credence for that ********.
 
wareyin said:
Sadly, many Trumpistas don't realize that they don't even have the former. We do have evidence of collusion, apparently just not enough for the DOJ to buck the rules of not indicting a sitting President.
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Or anyone else, for whom there are no such rules.
 
wareyin said:
Sadly, many Trumpistas don't realize that they don't even have the former. We do have evidence of collusion, apparently just not enough for the DOJ to buck the rules of not indicting a sitting President.
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The DOJ hasn't found enough evidence to indict anyone else, either.

What's your narrative? The report has clear evidence that Trump is guilty, and the report has no clear evidence that anyone else is guilty?
 
Federal prosecutors just revealed in a DC district court that the Mueller grand jury that investigated Russian collusion is “continuing robustly.”

It seems that Mueller farmed out investigations to U.S. attorneys and Trump celebrated too soon!
 
cmikes said:
I actually agree, I support the practice of asylum seekers waiting in their home country or Mexico while their case is being processed.
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Currently, that's not a practice. They can only be processed after they have presented themselves at the border or within the US. If they are within their home country or Mexico, they cannot apply for asylum.

If they are waiting in Mexico, they are not waiting for their case to be processed, they are waiting for their opportunity to begin the process.

Are you trying to advocate for an overhaul of the current system or are you unaware of how it works?
 
theprestige said:
The DOJ hasn't found enough evidence to indict anyone else, either.

What's your narrative? The report has clear evidence that Trump is guilty, and the report has no clear evidence that anyone else is guilty?
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The real world situation, as opposed to anyone's narrative, is that we already have clear evidence of collusion. It may not be enough to convict anyone, but evidence of collusion between Trump's campaign and agents working for Russia is already public knowledge.

There may be no clear evidence that Trump is guilty. There may be no evidence strong enough to convict anyone of a conspiracy. But, we do have evidence, and such evidence has been posted over and over in this thread as well as many other places.
 
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