Mueller Investigation pt4

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So now Congressman Adam Schiff announces, after having found zero Russian Collusion, that he is going to be looking at every aspect of my life, both financial and personal, even though there is no reason to be doing so. Never happened before! Unlimited Presidential Harassment....

....The Dems and their committees are going “nuts.” The Republicans never did this to President Obama, there would be no time left to run government. I hear other committee heads will do the same thing. Even stealing people who work at White House! A continuation of Witch Hunt!
 
dasmiller said:
If the taxes are made public, then the thousands of little bits and pieces will be scrutinized by thousands of members of the media and public, rather than just one or two IRS agents.

Imagine, for example, that the tax forms claim that a certain restaurant in Trump Tower made a net profit of $150,000 last year. That might sound plausible to the IRS, but it might sound absurd to the restaurant's manager, who might have records showing they were making vastly more, or that they were actually losing money (suggesting that money was being laundered through the restaurant).
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Keep in mind that the big promise for Trump during the election was the release of personal tax returns. While the premise of your suggestion may be correct (having multiple people scrutinize a return may uncover unexpected items Trump wanted hidden), I'm not sure if things like restaurant profits would show up in those returns (since those would fall under corporate taxes).

His personal taxes may reveal things like: How much did he donate to NAMBLA (people are talking about his big donations to the group), whether he donated to charities, if he had personal income coming from foreign sources, etc.
 
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PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT! It should never be allowed to happen again
 
Segnosaur said:
I guess Trump has never heard of Bengazi. (I suspect Trump probably thinks its a type of ointment people rub on sore muscles.)
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Or Fast & Furious ATF operation or Benghazi or IRS/Lois Lerner or Benghazi or the Obamacare website not working or Benghazi or Solyndra or Benghazi.
 
The Big Dog said:
Imagine that you had actually seen a corporate tax return before.

The suggestion that they get into that level of granular detail is spectacularly absurd
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According to Trump, "they're feet high," suggesting that there are many thousands of pages.

If it's just 2 feet high, on 20 lb paper, that would be about 7000 pages. If his reported income was, say, $100M, that's an average of only $15,000 per page. I don't think it's crazy that my hypothetical $150,000/yr (net) restaurant would merit its own mention.
 
Segnosaur said:
Keep in mind that the big promise for Trump during the election was the release of personal tax returns. While the premise of your suggestion may be correct (having multiple people scrutinize a return may uncover unexpected items Trump wanted hidden), I'm not sure if things like restaurant profits would show up in those returns (since those would fall under corporate taxes).
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But going from his discussion here:


he seems to be talking about a large corporate entity. In his words (at 1:16 in the video), "and it is a very big company, far bigger than you would even understand. But it's a great company, but it's big."

P.S. we really need to teach him some new adjectives.
 
carlitos said:
His personal taxes may reveal things like: How much did he donate to NAMBLA (people are talking about his big donations to the group),.
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Seriously? I won't google this, so please let me know if you're kidding.
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This issue came out during the 2016 campaign.

The background:

Trump had a habit of quoting 'facts' (that were either outright wrong, or taken out of context), but he would always use phrasing like "People are talking about..." or "I heard that..." (without indicating the actual sources so people could verify his claims).

So, someone started responding to Trump's claims with claims of their own... in particular that Trump isn't releasing his tax returns because it shows he donated to NAMBLA. But, just like the way Trump worded his claims with phrases like "People say...", the NAMBLA claims were similarly worded... "Speaking of tax returns, did you hear Donald Trump is refusing to release them because Donald Trump has donated to NAMBLA? That’s what all the best sources, the most tremendous sources are saying...". i.e. they were using the same sort of weasel words, referring to unnamed people about facts that likely weren't true.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-did-not-donate-to-nambla/

ETA: Note that I did it too... I never actually said "Trump donated to NAMBLA", I pointed out that his tax returns would show how much he donated (which could be 0), and then referred to "People" claiming he made a big donation, without referring to who these people were.
 
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The Big Dog said:
Imagine that you had actually seen a corporate tax return before.

The suggestion that they get into that level of granular detail is spectacularly absurd
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Trump Org. is not a corporation. It is an LLC owner of hundreds of other LLCs, each of which is a separate entity. You can count on pretty specific details about each one.
 
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Bob001 said:
Subject for discussion: Suppose Trump's tax returns are made public. Then what?

The Trump Organization is an LLC that owns or controls literally hundreds of other LLCS and various shadow companies. All of them would have ways of shielding the actual identities of whoever is paying or lending Trump money or conducting other business with him. So once you get the returns, how do you untangle all the threads that they might reveal, and what would it take for the average Trumpian to understand why it all matters?
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That's where the CFO/Accountant comes into play. He's cooperating with Mueller.
 
Segnosaur said:
ETA: Note that I did it too... I never actually said "Trump donated to NAMBLA", I pointed out that his tax returns would show how much he donated (which could be 0), and then referred to "People" claiming he made a big donation, without referring to who these people were.
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Thanks. I suspected that you saying the "people were saying" was a tell, but didn't want to assume. :thumbsup:
 
carlitos said:
It doesn’t sound like it’s all new information. I had heard that story about Ivanka Trump on the Putin chair quite sometime ago if I recall correctly.
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Much of the information isn't new, it's the fact that this is documentary evidence.

Part of the way to think of it is - Mueller has had these documents for a long time. Then he's asked people questions about the things the documents refer to.
 
Belz... said:
You know, just conceptually, the blue pill is more of a conservative thing.
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Lol, the Party of Trump definitely forfeited the use of this meme: The pills that Trump wants his cult to swallow as they wander around Trump Fantasyland are hallucinogenic.
 
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