Mueller Investigation pt4

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JoeMorgue said:
As loathe as I am to agree with TBD (and I give a preemptive apology to everyone for whatever wild conspiratorial tangent he spins this off into) I do question the necessity of sending a SWAT team type force to arrest a 66 year old politician at 6 in the morning.

This wasn't a story that was gonna end with Roger Stone taking Ivanka Trump hostage and demanding a chopper and a suitcase full of unmarked bills. He's a politician being brught up on political corruption type charges, not the Punisher. They probably could of at least started with just... asking him to turn himself in.
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FYI, that's not SWAT team. Being armed is simple SOP. And there is a purpose for it being a surprise. They were also executing a search warrant.
 
Steve said:
I can see why you and others say this, but there is always the point that the public does not have the detailed info the Mueller's team has. It may well have been a reasonable precaution.

I will ask you the same question I have asked TBD - what is the relevance of his age?
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Again I'll let TBD make whatever wild crazy accusations involving the deep state and child pizza parlor sex dungeons or whatever he wants. I don't speak for him and he doesn't speak for me.

A tactical style response to arrest a non-violent offender just seems like a showy waste of resources to me.

Again the possibility of some unknown X-factor is not off the table, just unlikely.
 
JoeMorgue said:
As loathe as I am to agree with TBD (and I give a preemptive apology to everyone for whatever wild conspiratorial tangent he spins this off into) I do question the necessity of sending a SWAT team type force to arrest a 66 year old politician at 6 in the morning.

This wasn't a story that was gonna end with Roger Stone taking Ivanka Trump hostage and demanding a chopper and a suitcase full of unmarked bills. He's a politician being brught up on political corruption type charges, not the Punisher. They probably could of at least started with just... asking him to turn himself in.
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I watched police murder a guy with a chokehold for violating some commerce rules around selling tobacco. This was excessive, but aligned with current behaviour.
 
JoeMorgue said:
As loathe as I am to agree with TBD (and I give a preemptive apology to everyone for whatever wild conspiratorial tangent he spins this off into) I do question the necessity of sending a SWAT team type force to arrest a 66 year old politician at 6 in the morning.
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Even a 66-year-old can muster the strength to squeeze a trigger. Here's a video of Roger Stone with Alex Jones practicing at a gun range with a fully-automatic weapon (at least, according to the video). I can see why the officials might have decided to play it safe.
 
JoeMorgue said:
As loathe as I am to agree with TBD (and I give a preemptive apology to everyone for whatever wild conspiratorial tangent he spins this off into) I do question the necessity of sending a SWAT team type force to arrest a 66 year old politician at 6 in the morning.

This wasn't a story that was gonna end with Roger Stone taking Ivanka Trump hostage and demanding a chopper and a suitcase full of unmarked bills. He's a politician being brught up on political corruption type charges, not the Punisher. They probably could of at least started with just... asking him to turn himself in.
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I'm with Popehat on this one - it's amazing who suddenly seems to care about this kind of thing when it's a powerful white dude who's on the receiving end. That doesn't make it right, of course, but it does indicate something about the sincerity of the outrage which, yet again, is just an attempt to distract from the substance of the indictment.
 
Arresting a non violent offender using heavily armed tactical agents is NOT standard operating procedure.

It is a sop to the video hungry misfits at CNN.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Again I'll let TBD make whatever wild crazy accusations involving the deep state and child pizza parlor sex dungeons or whatever he wants. I don't speak for him and he doesn't speak for me.

A tactical style response to arrest a non-violent offender just seems like a showy waste of resources to me.

Again the possibility of some unknown X-factor is not off the table, just unlikely.
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I've seen a dozen cops show up for a minor car accident. That say 10 officers show up to execute an arrest warrant on a man with an affinity for semi-automatic weapons is not unusual.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
I'm with Popehat on this one - it's amazing who suddenly seems to care about this kind of thing when it's a powerful white dude who's on the receiving end. That doesn't make it right, of course, but it does indicate something about the sincerity of the outrage which, yet again, is just an attempt to distract from the substance of the indictment.
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The great part of a site “dedicated” to”critical thinking” and “skepticism” is everyone here instantly recognizes that is a totally fallacious statement.
 
The Big Dog said:
Arresting a non violent offender using heavily armed tactical agents is NOT standard operating procedure.

It is a sop to the video hungry misfits at CNN.
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Most police are wearing and carrying tactical gear these days. Nothing special.
 
acbytesla said:
I've seen a dozen cops show up for a minor car accident. That say 10 officers show up to execute an arrest warrant on a man with an affinity for semi-automatic weapons is not unusual.
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It's ridiculous that TBD is whining about Stone's treatment when TBD's Dear Leader is on record telling police officers to slam peoples' heads into cop cars.
 
The Big Dog said:
but only CNN got the exclusive video, ya see.

A bit of a tip for services rendered..

CNN got the tip and the rest of us get the shaft.
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Do you have evidence that CNN was tipped off?
Do you have evidence to indicate CNN has not had a crew on standby at Stone's residence just in case?
 
Molinaro said:
Do you have evidence that CNN was tipped off?
Do you have evidence to indicate CNN has not had a crew on standby at Stone's residence just in case?
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Who's to say this isn't cell phone video sent to CNN and/or other news agencies.
 
acbytesla said:
I've seen a dozen cops show up for a minor car accident. That say 10 officers show up to execute an arrest warrant on a man with an affinity for semi-automatic weapons is not unusual.
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//Slight hijack, don't want this to go too far down the rabbit hole, especially since other forces would spin a way I'm not wanting to//

I guess it's just my military background. In Afghanistan we didn't use that level of response to literal enemies. We didn't roll that deep and strapped just to go get one guy and the guys we had to dealt with were a little more dangerous than a 66 year old politician.

Maybe it's just a perspective thing. On duty we guarded an entire Guided Missile Cruiser in port with like... 8 guys, 6 with side arms, two with long arms and we just wore the vests, with the full trauma plate, helmet setup just ready if we deemed it necessary. After you do that for 20 years watching a dozen cops all geared up with long rifles doing a tactical stack upside an APC all to arrest a wheelchair bound, blind and deaf thalidomide baby that ripped a tag off a mattress just looks pretty farcical.

But again (and to counter the "Oh so it's a problem when it happens to rich white men..." comment) I've always found police responses excessive. You don't need a tank and a sniper position to arrest someone behind on their child support payment. Watching the police react to a threat with a level of force the military doesn't react to threats with has always struck me as odd and off putting.
 
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acbytesla said:
Who's to say this isn't cell phone video sent to CNN and/or other news agencies.
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This. All this proves is that somebody was staked outside stones house with a camera and CNN was the person with the deep enough pockets to buy it first.
 
acbytesla said:
I've seen a dozen cops show up for a minor car accident. That say 10 officers show up to execute an arrest warrant on a man with an affinity for semi-automatic weapons is not unusual.
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They were not officers arresting Stone. They were agents.

It was an action being taken by the FBI, not by cops.
 
Molinaro said:
Do you have evidence that CNN was tipped off?
Do you have evidence to indicate CNN has not had a crew on standby at Stone's residence just in case?
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Yes.
Yes.

Are you literally not even familiar with CNN’s cover story.

Come on.....
 
JoeMorgue said:
This. All this proves is that somebody was staked outside stones house with a camera and CNN was the person with the deep enough pockets to buy it first.
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Uh, CNN claimed they got the idea from sitting on the grand jury.

What is going on here?
 
Molinaro said:
They were not officers arresting Stone. They were agents.

It was an action being taken by the FBI, not by cops.
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So? Are you saying that local authorities did not aid the operation? That they weren't alerted to it?
 
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