Cont: Mueller Investigation pt3

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thaiboxerken said:
They didn't find evidence or corroborating witnesses because they weren't allowed to.

It's interesting that Trumpers hate the FBI when it comes to the Mueller investigation but think they FBI are fine people when they "investigate" Bart. I don't blame the FBI, they were hamstrung by Trump in Bart's investigation.
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My bold is true. The rest seems more like opinion ;)
 
Cabbage said:
Here are some more from Jared Kushner.

Seriously, you should consider stepping out of the right wing bubble and read some real news for a change if any of this is at all new to you.

The rest of us have been aware of these issues for at least one or two years.

Time to catch up!

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/20/16670484/jared-kushner-russia-scandal-wikileaks
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A vox article? You seem to be confused. Can you please point to any evidence that shows an actual crime may have been committed by Trump? Kushner or Jr lying to the press does not equate a crime. Nor does it equate a crime committed by the Don.

Feel free to paste the relevant section for us all to see with the evidence you speak of.

Most sane people realize there is no evidence currently available to the public. That's the problem. Also why we're seeing the FISA documents get declassified... at some point...maybe?
 
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If there was nothing to hide, why did Trump dictate his son's statement and then lied about it?
Plenty of probable cause.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
If there was nothing to hide, why did Trump dictate his son's statement and then lied about it?
Plenty of probable cause.
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Maybe this will help you also.

Probable cause is a reasonable belief that a person has committed or will commit a crime. For probable cause to exist, a police officer must have sufficient knowledge of facts to warrant a belief that a suspect is committing a crime. The belief must be based on factual evidence, not just on suspicion
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River said:
A vox article? You seem to be confused. Can you please point to any evidence that shows an actual crime may have been committed by Trump? Kushner or Jr lying to the press does not equate a crime. Nor does it equate a crime committed by the Don.

Feel free to paste the relevant section for us all to see with the evidence you speak of.

Most sane people realize there is no evidence currently available to the public. That's the problem. Also why we're seeing the FISA documents get declassified... at some point...maybe?
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You could try reading the article yourself, you know, instead of making embarrassingly inaccurate claims of what it says (such as '"Kushner or Jr lying to the press does not equate a crime" LOL)

How about this:

When Kushner applied for top-secret security clearance when he entered the White House, he was supposed to list any foreign government officials whom he had met with in the past seven years.

The problem is that he initially forgot to mention more than 100 meetings with foreign dignitaries — including several powerful Russians connected to the Kremlin.

He failed to mention meetings in December with Sergey Kislyak, then Russia’s ambassador to the US, and Sergey Gorkov, the head of the Russian state-owned bank Vnesheconombank.

He also didn’t disclose that he met with Natalia Veselnitskaya, a Kremlin-affiliated Russian lawyer, in Trump Tower in Manhattan in June 2016.
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Regarding your last comment: How many times do you need to be told that it's a fact many in Trump's team lied, and that in and of itself constitutes factual evidence?

You seem to be confusing "proof" with "evidence". Do I have proof of any crime? No, but that is not at all necessary to establish probable cause. Do I have evidence? You're damn right.
 
Drysdale said:
Any arrests on collusion yet?
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That's like asking if there've been arrests on "wrongdoings" yet.

River said:
No, the aim of it was to go searching for a crime with no evidence of one.
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Are you seriously denying that the Russians attempted to influence the 2016 elections?

But what does that have to do with Trump?
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Aside from his 30+ years history of helping Russian mobsters and oligarchs launder their ill-gotten money?

The investigation's goal is to uncover what happened and help punish those responsible. IF that leads to Trump, then so be it. If not, same.

theprestige said:
So... How many US citizens have been indicted for interfering in the election yet?

A dozen? Two dozen?
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Wow, so last year your questions didn't include a number. As the number of people indicted or found guilty of crimes during this investigation grows, you just increase the target number.

Don't you find that a tad disigenuous?
 
River said:
I'm looking forward to seeing these FISA documents declassified.
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Of course, Trump has publicly said that he hadn't read the documents when he started pushing for them to be declassified, and has gone completely silent on them after reportedly being advised by people who had read them that it would be damaging to him if they were to be declassified.
 
Cabbage said:
You could try reading the article yourself, you know, instead of making embarrassingly inaccurate claims of what it says (such as '"Kushner or Jr lying to the press does not equate a crime" LOL)

How about this:



Regarding your last comment: How many times do you need to be told that it's a fact many in Trump's team lied, and that in and of itself constitutes factual evidence?

You seem to be confusing "proof" with "evidence". Do I have proof of any crime? No, but that is not at all necessary to establish probable cause. Do I have evidence? You're damn right.
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All you've pointed out is how Kushner was not honest about his meetings. I still see no evidence of the Don doing anything illegal. If I've missed something, please feel free to point it out.

In other words your "evidence" presented is not anything tangible with Trump, and Kushner has yet to be charged with anything. (although many suspect him and jr could be on a short list for indictment) Even if you are to accept both him and JR lied about this meeting -- it still does not prove anything illegal took place there. Also, if they wouldve had purchased any of the intelligence that wouldve been considered legal. It has been stated nothing new was found. If you look at the dates, this was just after wikileaks released some stuff and that meeting most likely wouldve been regarding that.

If you're trying to tie wikileaks actions to Trump, or wikileaks to Russia, they will have to arrest Assange to begin before anyone else. (which still is a possibility)

Sorry, myself and others here tried to tell you -- there is no publicly available proof of Trump committing a crime, nor "probably cause". Your linked article, or anything in it does not change this. Remember the threshold for probably cause. Factual evidence a crime has been committed, or will be. Not suspicion alone, which is all youve been able to link.
 
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River, it doesn't matter one bit what you consider the evidence to be.

A Republican Senate tasked a Republican Deputy AG to start an investigation run by a life-time Republican ex-Prosecutor, ex-FBI chief.

You think they did that without without a shred of evidence?
 
The Great Zaganza said:
River, it doesn't matter one bit what you consider the evidence to be.

A Republican Senate tasked a Republican Deputy AG to start an investigation run by a life-time Republican ex-Prosecutor, ex-FBI chief.

You think they did that without without a shred of evidence?
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Obviously, yes. They were all being mind-controlled by Democrats!
 
The Great Zaganza said:
River, it doesn't matter one bit what you consider the evidence to be.

A Republican Senate tasked a Republican Deputy AG to start an investigation run by a life-time Republican ex-Prosecutor, ex-FBI chief.

You think they did that without without a shred of evidence?
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We're supposedly going to see this evidence very soon if it gets declassified as was ordered by the President. Yet to be seen. From one person that have seen some of those documents -- here is what they say.

 
LOL. Nunes is a liar and an *******. He's went down this path before and was shown to be a liar.
 
River said:
We're supposedly going to see this evidence very soon if it gets declassified as was ordered by the President. Yet to be seen. From one person that have seen some of those documents -- here is what they say.

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How about declassifying the interview with Russia's no.1 Congressman, Dana Rohrbacher?
No?
I guess then there is no evidence if we are not allowed to see the evidence.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
How about declassifying the interview with Russia's no.1 Congressman, Dana Rohrbacher?
No?
I guess then there is no evidence if we are not allowed to see the evidence.
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We are in agreement there. I'd like to see it all. Not just one sides story.
 
River said:
We're supposedly going to see this evidence very soon if it gets declassified as was ordered by the President. Yet to be seen. From one person that have seen some of those documents -- here is what they say.

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But he's a Trump supporter. Anyone associated with Trump comes with the presumption of dishonesty.
 
thaiboxerken said:
LOL. Nunes is a liar and an *******. He's went down this path before and was shown to be a liar.
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You're not quite accurate here. You mean some opposed what he said, and then covered up the related documents. We're still waiting on some of these documents almost a year after they were demanded by congress. (documents they have every right to see and request) This is why the President took the extraordinary step of ordering them declassified. I think we all should pay close attention to what these documents say.

There has been a lot of grandstanding on both sides, and the misinformation in the press is on the highest levels of partisan propaganda I've ever witnessed in my lifetime. Something big is about to go down.
 
Nunes is a liar and a cheat - demonstrably.
He made a big show of briefing the White House on intel he got from the White House.
He recused himself and then pretended that he didn't.

And the memo he released shows exactly the opposite of what he said it did.
 
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