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This has all already been addressed.

Feldman, Brian (August 10, 2017). "The Nation Article About the DNC Hack Is Too Incoherent to Even Debunk". New York Magazine.

Uchill, Joe (August 14, 2017). "Why the latest theory about the DNC not being hacked is probably wrong". The Hill.

Various Contributors (2017-09-01). "A Leak or a Hack? A Forum on the VIPS Memo". The Nation.
 
River's armor of ignorance and unwillingness to look at evidence that refutes his opinions makes me wonder why River is not in the Trump administration.

You must be lost. I look at all evidence. Doesn't mean I choose to endorse or believe it all. Also, I'm not a Trumpet. I try to see the issue as larger than partisan, as we've never as a nation been through something like this IMHO. I suspect when all is said and done many will agree.
 
This has all already been addressed.

Feldman, Brian (August 10, 2017). "The Nation Article About the DNC Hack Is Too Incoherent to Even Debunk". New York Magazine.

Uchill, Joe (August 14, 2017). "Why the latest theory about the DNC not being hacked is probably wrong". The Hill.

Various Contributors (2017-09-01). "A Leak or a Hack? A Forum on the VIPS Memo". The Nation.

Have seen all of those rebuttals. All of them list some possible scenarios. Including, that the files may have been downloaded locally onto a thumb drive.

Of course I realize there are other possibilities. Without a chain of custody or knowledge of DNC file/network logs it's hard to have more details than we already know.
 
I agree that the response of the Obama administration was woefully inadequate. Most of it was due to ignorance and an unfounded trust in the American Voter.
I understand why they did so little, but when it comes to safeguarding elections, we should err on the side of caution.

The situation with Trump is very different: we now know much, MUCH more about what happened and what is most likely to happen in the run-up to the Midterms and 2020. Yet the current administration is doing even less than the previous one. Trump is sending strong signals to Moscow that the US is open for election meddling without repercussions.
This is very different from Obama and his officials telling Putin to stop the meddling or we will take down the Russian power grid.
 
How do the posters here feel about some kind of stand down order being given by Obama officials on this Russian interference? Apparently Donna Brazile mentioned something about it in her new book. Should we be blaming Obama and not Trump for this?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-cy...ssian-cyberattacks-summer-2016-204935758.html

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...an-hackers-steal-data-manage-state-primaries/

To quote from your first link...

Instead, Obama officials chose another course of action after becoming frustrated that Republican leaders on Capitol Hill would not endorse a bipartisan statement condemning Russian interference and fearful that any unilateral action by them would feed then candidate Donald Trump’s claims that the election was rigged. They chose a private “stern” warning by Obama to Russian President Vladimir Putin at a summit in China in early September 2016 to stop his country’s campaign to disrupt the U.S. election.

This is putting the Republican's actions quite nicely. You do know that McConnell was outright threatening Obama on the topic, right?

With that said, no, I'm not happy about Obama's response. I find it understandable, but consider it to be one of his many mistakes. I don't blame Trump for that response at all, regardless, but McConnell's actions, on the other hand, were pretty much traitorous.

Trump has a plethora of other issues related to Russia, of course, and this seems to be little more than an attempt at whataboutism on the general topic. Perhaps you could explain why it's not, though, if you didn't intend it to be that?
 
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How do the posters here feel about some kind of stand down order being given by Obama officials on this Russian interference? Apparently Donna Brazile mentioned something about it in her new book. Should we be blaming Obama and not Trump for this?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-cy...ssian-cyberattacks-summer-2016-204935758.html

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...an-hackers-steal-data-manage-state-primaries/

Oh, absolutely. I had a girl in my office back in Port Reading who once said to a customer, "If the mistake is so serious why didn't you catch it sooner, huh?"

They thought they'd handled it. They thought wrong. You can fault Obama/them for that but to say that Obama should've caught it and done something absolves the felonious natures of the scum in the administration who were working multiple backdoor channels to Russia. I hear in the international banking community if you didn't have a Trump minion arranging secret meetings with you in Majorca you couldn't get an invitation to the Spring Fling. "Darling, everyone who's anyone is having clandestine meetings with Trump surrogates!"
 
As I said before, this is a complete fringe reset. We are rehashing arguments from january 2017 through today, all for the benefit of another Trumpist conspiracy theorist who decided to join the discussion late and couldn't be bothered to educate himself.

This thread should serve as an update and discussion thread for news about the Muller investigation, not the personal grievance thread of someone who has elected to close his eyes to reality.
 
You must be lost. I look at all evidence. Doesn't mean I choose to endorse or believe it all. Also, I'm not a Trumpet. I try to see the issue as larger than partisan, as we've never as a nation been through something like this IMHO. I suspect when all is said and done many will agree.

Nonsense. You claim not to be a Trumpet but reject all evidence in favor of a pro-Trump view while citing conspiracy theory garbage. In other words, you post like a Trumpet, act like a Trumpet, you must be a Trumpet.
 
Right. Well I can see from the reponses that some only want one outcome and have their minds made up. To me, there is a lot left uncovered. What I hope more than any partisan view is; the American public learns the truth.

There seems to be a lot of intentional propaganda tossed out from both sides.


Here's the problem: That analysis you keep referencing infers transfer speeds from the file timestamps. While that analysis may be accurate, the rather dubious premise of the argument is that they represent the time the files were originally copied from the DNC servers, and since they could not have been copied that fast through the internet, the rather boneheaded conclusion is that they must have been copied by someone with direct local access to those DNC servers -- a mole, not a hacker. However, those timestamps are just the time of the last file copy, with no indication of where they were copied from or how many times they may have been copied before that. If the hacker downloaded the files to his computer through the internet and then copied them from his hard drive to a USB drive, or any of a multitude of other scenarios, all you'd see in the timestamps is the transfer speed of that last copy.


As for the "physical access to the servers" nonsense, it's a shame that senator didn't get around to explaining why they would need physical access. Comey said his people told him they had what they needed, which is true if they had the images the consultants took when they began the investigation. If the FBI had physical access, all they could do is take another image to analyze, but the earlier one would be better in case things had changed. (In fact, most of the servers were cloud-based, and the main feature of the cloud is that application servers are portable images that are independent of physical machines.)


Sorry, but these arguments do follow a familiar conspiracy theorizing pattern: Use a set of filtered and/or misrepresented facts to create a pseudo-mystery or pseudo-anomaly and then offer the conspiracy theory as the most plausible explanation.
 
Trump Tweets

"“You know who’s at fault for this more than anyone else, Comey, because he leaked information and laundered it through a professor at Columbia Law School. Shame on that professor, and shame on Comey. He snuck the information to a law professor who collaborated with him in........"

"....giving the information, and causing the appointment of a Special C without having the courage of his own convictions.....” Alan Dershowitz @TuckerCarlson In other words, the whole thing was illegally and very unfairly "
 
Nope. Instead, I'll wait until we have all of the evidence. I don't expect what is out there now to change anyones mind. I do enjoy discussing it though, even with people who refuse to acknowledge information -- even if they do not like the source.

Given that you're deliberately ignoring the information that makes that video irrelevant, this is some top-level irony, right here.
 
As I said before, this is a complete fringe reset. We are rehashing arguments from january 2017 through today, all for the benefit of another Trumpist conspiracy theorist who decided to join the discussion late and couldn't be bothered to educate himself.

This thread should serve as an update and discussion thread for news about the Muller investigation, not the personal grievance thread of someone who has elected to close his eyes to reality.

This is a discussion forum correct? Not an update for Mueller news items only. I'm here discussing the subject, right now. Not months ago. Get over it.
 
Here's the problem: That analysis you keep referencing infers transfer speeds from the file timestamps. While that analysis may be accurate, the rather dubious premise of the argument is that they represent the time the files were originally copied from the DNC servers, and since they could not have been copied that fast through the internet, the rather boneheaded conclusion is that they must have been copied by someone with direct local access to those DNC servers -- a mole, not a hacker. However, those timestamps are just the time of the last file copy, with no indication of where they were copied from or how many times they may have been copied before that. If the hacker downloaded the files to his computer through the internet and then copied them from his hard drive to a USB drive, or any of a multitude of other scenarios, all you'd see in the timestamps is the transfer speed of that last copy.


As for the "physical access to the servers" nonsense, it's a shame that senator didn't get around to explaining why they would need physical access. Comey said his people told him they had what they needed, which is true if they had the images the consultants took when they began the investigation. If the FBI had physical access, all they could do is take another image to analyze, but the earlier one would be better in case things had changed. (In fact, most of the servers were cloud-based, and the main feature of the cloud is that application servers are portable images that are independent of physical machines.)


Sorry, but these arguments do follow a familiar conspiracy theorizing pattern: Use a set of filtered and/or misrepresented facts to create a pseudo-mystery or pseudo-anomaly and then offer the conspiracy theory as the most plausible explanation.

I agree that there are multiple plausible scenarios regarding the files and timestamps. However, to disregard any of them would be foolish. Including the scenario that files may have been downloaded locally.
 
Oh, absolutely. I had a girl in my office back in Port Reading who once said to a customer, "If the mistake is so serious why didn't you catch it sooner, huh?"

They thought they'd handled it. They thought wrong. You can fault Obama/them for that but to say that Obama should've caught it and done something absolves the felonious natures of the scum in the administration who were working multiple backdoor channels to Russia. I hear in the international banking community if you didn't have a Trump minion arranging secret meetings with you in Majorca you couldn't get an invitation to the Spring Fling. "Darling, everyone who's anyone is having clandestine meetings with Trump surrogates!"

It would seem there is a lot of mishandling of this issue from both administrations. The American people deserve better.

Are you for declassifying the documents regarding fisa applications and so on? or no?
 
This thread should serve as an update and discussion thread for news about the Muller investigation, not the personal grievance thread of someone who has elected to close his eyes to reality.

Yes, I second this. This thread should be for discussing the Mueller investigation. General talk about Russia should go in the Russia thread.
 
This is a discussion forum correct? Not an update for Mueller news items only.

This thread is for discussing the Mueller investigation only. There is a thread for discussing things related to Russia. This conversation is off topic for this thread, but wouldn't be for that one. I'd recommend continuing it there.
 
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