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Bad sign? The goal is to arrive at the truth. If they can't use it because there wasn't a crime, that is good news.
Yes, thank you for that deep answer. Now that you're firmly positioned on your pedestal, I obviously meant that they were looking for collusion. If they didn't find any, that would be a bad sign for them.

Awesome though, you really put me in my place.
 
Yes, thank you for that deep answer. Now that you're firmly positioned on your pedestal, I obviously meant that they were looking for collusion. If they didn't find any, that would be a bad sign for them.

Awesome though, you really put me in my place.

The null hypothesis would be no collusion. Not finding evidence to reject the null hypothesis is just as valuable as rejecting the null hypothesis.
 
Donald Trump hired Lanny Davis???? WHOA! That is big news....

Gotta, cite?

Pretty weak.

Indeed it was, but I commend you on admitting it.

"I know you are but what am I." Tee hee. Snap! You sure told them.


Trump hired the bigger (now that he's done more damage to Trump than Thirsty, amiright) scumbag, Michael The Fixer Cohen. Trump hired the insane talkathon, Rudy Giuliani. (And Rudy's scumbag credentials precede all these dudes.)
 
The null hypothesis would be no collusion. Not finding evidence to reject the null hypothesis is just as valuable as rejecting the null hypothesis.
Great. Obviously everyone here wants the truth, no one has ever advocated otherwise. I certainly wasn't, and you know it. This just more ******** quibbling and I have no desire to engage in it. Move on.
 
I'm not sure I agree with you. Cohen's guilty plea certainly doesn't prove that Trump is guilty of the same crime... but taken with the statement that the payments were made at Trump's direction, I would say that it can have a legal impact on Trump - It gives the prosecution something that they can charge the president with directly, even if they don't have enough evidence to get a conviction out of it. To date, I think this would be the first thing they can directly charge Trump with, isn't it?

I mean, they may not charge him (although I don't know why they wouldn't), but they could, couldn't they?

The case for Obstruction of Justice and related things has been pretty overwhelming for quite a while, honestly, as an example of something that they could directly charge Trump for that's been on the table for a while.
 
And it looks like he got Cohen a pretty sweet deal, which is borderline scumbaggery at least.
will he still be on the hook to pay back the Tax money he owes? And will he have assets seized that we gained through ill gotten gains - as well at the jail time?
 
This could be a bad sign for the special investigation. If Manafort doesn't have anything they want, is there anything worth getting out there?

Manafort is directly involved in the conspiracy with Russia. If Mueller doesn't think he's got any information that's worth having, then that most likely means that Mueller already has all the information he could want from different sources.
 
Dear FSM. This is such a painful and long-winded way to dump a President who is clearly utterly unfit to hold office. Where are the adults whose job it should be to control this rampaging, petulant child who's been in the grip of an 18-month-long tantrum? One that's getting worse by the day?

His tweets and attempts to weasel out of responsibility for his own words and actions are bad enough but watching him sitting there, pouting, as he ignored the requests to make a statement on McCain's death, all I could think was "Grow the **** up and deal with something like an adult".
 
Are you forgetting corroborating evidence like tapes?


I've just spent some time reading through Cohen's plea deal. There was something that caught my interest...


"In consideration of his plea to the above offenses, the defendant will not be further prosecuted criminally by this Office and, with respect to tax offenses, the Tax Division, Department of Justice, for any crimes relating to:
(1) evasion of payment of income taxes, for the calendar years 2012 through 2016, as charged in Counts One through Five of the Information;
(2) making false statements to a financial institution in connection with a credit decision, from at least in or about February 2015, up to and including in or about April 2016, as charged in Count Six of the Information;
(3) causing an unlawful corporate contribution, from at least in or about June 2016 through in or about August 2016, as charged in Count Seven of the Information;
(4) making an excessive campaign contribution, on or about October 2016, as charged in Count Eight of the Information, and
(5) making false statements to a financial institution in connection with a credit decision by Sterling National Bank, from at least in or about October 2016, up to an including in or about April 2018, it being understood that this agreement does not bar the use of such conduct as a predicate act or as the basis for a sentencing enhancement in a subsequent prosecution including, but not limited to, a prosecution pursuant to 18 USC 1961 et seq"
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Its section 5 that I find interesting. I looked up 18 USC 1961; its The Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, commonly referred to as the RICO Act.

From wiki: Despite its harsh provisions, a RICO-related charge is considered easy to prove in court since it focuses on patterns of behaviour as opposed to criminal acts.

To me, this looks like the prosecution keeping their options open to go after Cohen and any con-conspirators for racketeering, and if patterns of behaviour are the key, then Dolt really could be in deep doodoo!
 
Can you clarify your question? Why would I drink Glen? Why would I drink in this situation? Why did I use that phrase?
Why the Glenlivet, and why on ice, when you cold drink a real good Bourbon the proper way?
 
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