Cont: Mueller Investigation pt3

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quadraginta said:
Apparently it's even trickier to find examples of judges who have accepted guilty pleas when there is no evidence that a crime has been committed.
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Well Ziggurat has certainly failed to find any

quadraginta said:
I wonder why that is? Some people seem to think it's remarkably common. That should make it easy to document a few.
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Remember, he's not just looking for judges that accept guilty pleas from innocent persons. That does happen, when the judge does not know the defendant is innocent.

What Ziggurat will need to find are judges that knowingly accept guilty plea from persons that they know to be innocent, and under circumstances where the judge also knows that no crime has been committed.

I'll give you a clue - he won't find any examples, because no such examples will exist. No judge will wilfully ignore the absence of Corpus Delicti. Any judge who does this will be liable to at the very least judicial misconduct, at worst, malfeasance in office.
 
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The Great Zaganza said:
Trump supporters should be grateful that Cohen didn't get immunity like Pecker or Weisselberg.
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quadraginta said:
Prosecutors don't generally offer immunity when they already have air-tight, irrefutable cases in hand, that's when they go for plea deals if they want more information, or (more likely) testimony against other parties.

Immunity is useful when you have someone you can't nail who can give information you don't have, and testify to it, but whose testimony might get them into their own trouble.
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Have you guys missed his attorney's entreaties to every prosecutorial body this side of Zambia? He's looking for immunity. Mueller can still grant it on crimes associated with the Russian interference and he can roll that into immunity on any charges that he hasn't pled to. This is Mikey, The Fixer, Cohen. He probably has more dirt on more people than just this little altercation over hooker slush money. We're talking about a New York City real estate mogul? Ask Rudy where he'd be looking. Waste removal. Concrete deliveries. Labor relations. Health permits. Reluctant city councilmen? Casino deals in Rhode Island would be a grand starting point.

Does anyone think that Donnie Johnny is all that sexually active that he actually needs the services of a girlfriend briber for twenty years? In NYC a "fixer" is a nearly-legitimate job description. They handle everything from parking tickets to union negotiations to land easement and rezoning requirements.

My personal theory is that Donnie's comment about flipping was not addressed to Mrs. Taylor in Dubuque. It was addressed to a couple of guys with nicknames like "The Chin" and it was addressed to Mikey so that he was aware that there are some ugly people out there who are worried about what he's doing to his old buddies. Perhaps they aren't looking so much for immunity as Federal Witness Protection.
 
Ziggurat said:
And here's a countervailing opinion from another actual expert, former FEC chairman Bradley Smith:



If you prefer to believe Trevor Potter over Bradley Smith, fine. But this pretense that it's just wackjobs who think the personal use exemption comes into play here is just nonsense.
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For innocent bystanders, Bradley Smith is the spiritual godfather of Citizens United.
 
Foolmewunz said:
For innocent bystanders, Bradley Smith is the spiritual godfather of Citizens United.
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Right, so that means he has a political bias in that he is a proponent for the deregulation of campaign finance... i.e. he wants it to be a free-for-all; for candidates to be allowed to accept any contributions of any amount from anyone.

Well that certainly puts his "opinion" in some context doesn't it!?
 
Foolmewunz said:
Have you guys missed his attorney's entreaties to every prosecutorial body this side of Zambia? He's looking for immunity. Mueller can still grant it on crimes associated with the Russian interference and he can roll that into immunity on any charges that he hasn't pled to. This is Mikey, The Fixer, Cohen. He probably has more dirt on more people than just this little altercation over hooker slush money. We're talking about a New York City real estate mogul? Ask Rudy where he'd be looking. Waste removal. Concrete deliveries. Labor relations. Health permits. Reluctant city councilmen? Casino deals in Rhode Island would be a grand starting point.

Does anyone think that Donnie Johnny is all that sexually active that he actually needs the services of a girlfriend briber for twenty years? In NYC a "fixer" is a nearly-legitimate job description. They handle everything from parking tickets to union negotiations to land easement and rezoning requirements.

My personal theory is that Donnie's comment about flipping was not addressed to Mrs. Taylor in Dubuque. It was addressed to a couple of guys with nicknames like "The Chin" and it was addressed to Mikey so that he was aware that there are some ugly people out there who are worried about what he's doing to his old buddies. Perhaps they aren't looking so much for immunity as Federal Witness Protection.
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One minor correction, I think you mean "Zamibia" rather than "Zambia"
 
acbytesla said:
Going all in with nothing. And I wonder what Mueller is holding.
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The image of this as a poker game fits very well.

Mueller sits silently holding his cards while Trump gets ever more flustered and tweets "I have ACES, all the ACES! I have FIVE ACES"
 
P.J. Denyer said:
The image of this as a poker game fits very well.

Mueller sits silently holding his cards while Trump gets ever more flustered and tweets "I have ACES, all the ACES! I have FIVE ACES"
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Trump makes his money by making people pay to watch his Poker Twitch Channel - it doesn't matter that he will lose the game.
 
The Big Dog, do you think it's credible that Michael Cohen is guilty of the campaign finance violation charge he pled guilty to?
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
The Big Dog, do you think it's credible that Michael Cohen is guilty of the campaign finance violation charge he pled guilty to?
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That's not fair, when the initial story broke, he didn't think it likely that he would even get disbarred.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Have you guys missed his attorney's entreaties to every prosecutorial body this side of Zambia? He's looking for immunity. Mueller can still grant it on crimes associated with the Russian interference and he can roll that into immunity on any charges that he hasn't pled to. This is Mikey, The Fixer, Cohen.

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I had actually mentioned exactly that in the last line of my post, but deleted it before I posted because I didn't want to range too widely in the one reply.
 
smartcooky said:
Well Ziggurat has certainly failed to find any



Remember, he's not just looking for judges that accept guilty pleas from innocent persons. That does happen, when the judge does not know the defendant is innocent.

What Ziggurat will need to find are judges that knowingly accept guilty plea from persons that they know to be innocent, and under circumstances where the judge also knows that no crime has been committed.

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Yes, I know. I was being a bit facetious. I thought it showed. My bad.
 
smartcooky said:
Right, so that means he has a political bias in that he is a proponent for the deregulation of campaign finance... i.e. he wants it to be a free-for-all; for candidates to be allowed to accept any contributions of any amount from anyone.

Well that certainly puts his "opinion" in some context doesn't it!?
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Given that he is on the side that won citizens United, he has a "being right on controversial first amendment issues," bias.
 
17 pages of arguing about whether something the Judge, defendant and all the lawyers involved agree is a crime, is actually a crime. Wow.
 
RolandRat said:
17 pages of arguing about whether something the Judge, defendant and all the lawyers involved agree is a crime, is actually a crime. Wow.
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A bunch of people saying something is true, does not make it true. Arguments must stand up on their own evidence, not who supports it.
 
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