Yeah, I get it now, you want Trump investigated again for non specific "potential" felonies, but it's not a fishing expedition or conspiracy theory like "Russian Collusion."
Isn't investigating potential crimes standard? Imagine someone overhearing two wise guys who are talking like they whacked someone (only in their coded language) without specifics about who or when. The information overheard might also not be specific in any number of ways (who, what, where, when, was the person killed or not, etc.). An investigator with this information might well then investigate more to find out whether some crime actually happened. That would be an investigation into a potential crime.

Now, that can be abused, of course, but investigations of potential crimes cannot be ruled out entirely merely because the crime is only potential and non-specific.
 
Isn't investigating potential crimes standard? Imagine someone overhearing two wise guys who are talking like they whacked someone (only in their coded language) without specifics about who or when. The information overheard might also not be specific in any number of ways (who, what, where, when, was the person killed or not, etc.). An investigator with this information might well then investigate more to find out whether some crime actually happened. That would be an investigation into a potential crime.

Now, that can be abused, of course, but investigations of potential crimes cannot be ruled out entirely merely because the crime is only potential and non-specific.


Yeah, but the allegation of the NRA funneling Russian money to campaigns is nothing like what you describe. It's a big leap. If anyone wants to hold that an allegation is enough, I'm all for it, but those same people would cry a river of "no evidence" when it's an organization they support.
 
So TahiniBinShawarma is technically correct. there is no evidence Russia funneled money through the NRA, because they didn't look for it!
But is that true? Is there any evidence that they did look for it, but couldn't find any?


He can't even name what investigations were passed to Barr and the FBI. The original article posted when I asked for evidence said the FBI was looking at it.
 
He can't even name what investigations were passed to Barr and the FBI. The original article posted when I asked for evidence said the FBI was looking at it.
They were 'looking at it'. Muller seemed to think there was something worth looking at, and news reports indicated that they would be investigating. But since then... nothing.

If the FBI had investigated then the matter could be cleared up, but if they didn't you can't justify screaming 'no evidence!' from an investigation that wasn't done. The important questions would then be:- Did they look the other way? Was it covered up? What does 'looking at it' mean if they can't tell us what the result of the 'looking' was? And finally, if nobody looked at it, why not? Something smells...
 
They were 'looking at it'. Muller seemed to think there was something worth looking at, and news reports indicated that they would be investigating. But since then... nothing.

If the FBI had investigated then the matter could be cleared up, but if they didn't you can't justify screaming 'no evidence!' from an investigation that wasn't done. The important questions would then be:- Did they look the other way? Was it covered up? What does 'looking at it' mean if they can't tell us what the result of the 'looking' was? And finally, if nobody looked at it, why not? Something smells...


The article claimed they were looking at it. Perhaps nothing came of it, because there was no evidence of it, because it didn't happen.
 
The article claimed they were looking at it. Perhaps nothing came of it, because there was no evidence of it, because it didn't happen.

Perhaps. That's the problem with lack of information, though - and I was being honest about where information was lacking all throughout.

Again, the fact remains that the NRA was notably compromised and acted in an extremely suspicious manner. My concern here when it comes to the NRA isn't truly politics-based so much as national security and electoral integrity. It's a matter of responsibility rather than being out to get anyone.

In something related, though, concern about whether likely problems should be investigated seems to be where the actual partisan split seems to be, especially in more recent years. To poke at the FEC again, this time with an Open Secrets article -

Republican FEC commissioners let Clinton campaign off the hook for super PAC coordination

Deadlocked on a party-line vote, the Federal Election Commission has dismissed a complaint that Hillary Clinton’s campaign illegally coordinated with a super PAC during the 2016 presidential election cycle.

Continuing a recent trend with the embattled regulatory agency that is currently missing two of six commissioners, it was the Republican commissioners, not Democrats, who voted to stonewall enforcement action over the complaint.

<snip>

Republicans on the commission have repeatedly voted to dismiss complaints against committees of both parties. They often argue that Democratic-appointed commissioners overstep their bounds in enforcing campaign finance law and endanger free speech rights in the process.

“It’s yet another example of the partisan split on the commission not being partisan in the traditional sense,” Fischer said. “Here it was Democratic commissioners voting to enforce campaign finance laws against a Democratic candidate and Republican commissioners doing the opposite.”

Generally speaking, it's very likely that most of the Democrats that you might encounter will be on the side of the Democrats who were trying to uphold campaign finance law, regardless of who violates it.

When Democrats oppose investigation, it tends to be in regards to blatantly political nonsense, and by nonsense, I mean that it's based on demonstrable lies, disinformation, and the like.

They were 'looking at it'. Muller seemed to think there was something worth looking at, and news reports indicated that they would be investigating. But since then... nothing.

Yup.

If the FBI had investigated then the matter could be cleared up,

As well as finished and announced the results in whichever way, of course, which isn't guaranteed. They haven't divulged any details regarding that, however, as far as I've seen.

but if they didn't you can't justify screaming 'no evidence!' from an investigation that wasn't done.

Lack of evidence where evidence would reasonably be expected is one thing. Because of Barr, in particular, though, it's just not a case where evidence would reasonably be expected.

The important questions would then be:- Did they look the other way? Was it covered up? What does 'looking at it' mean if they can't tell us what the result of the 'looking' was? And finally, if nobody looked at it, why not? Something smells...

Something may smell, but, as it stands, we just don't have enough information to justify asking the first and second questions. The third may be a bit off - I'm not aware of any official FBI press statements about investigation into the NRA, just references to said investigation and interest into potential problems. It's hard to fault the FBI, specifically, for not announcing what happened or is still happening with an investigation that they didn't announce in the first place.
 
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I still can't believe that the DOJ accepted Jerome Corsi's God told me defense, to believe, that you would have to believe God talks to 9/11No Planers-birthers.
I would say that Jerome Corsi got the information from RTV, though Friends are ForLabs when he was in Italy.
 


I think it's actually pretty common for an employer to give an employee the option of resigning rather than being fired. (It's also pretty common not to give that option.)

I don't think there's anything unethical about the practice, nor do I think offering the option is indicative of any malfeasance on the part of the employer.

Of course Barr told Berman that being fired looks bad. Because it's true. Probably goes without saying, though. Was Berman taking the opportunity to complain that Barr was treating him like an idiot, by spelling it out?
 
I think it's actually pretty common for an employer to give an employee the option of resigning rather than being fired. (It's also pretty common not to give that option.)

I don't think there's anything unethical about the practice, nor do I think offering the option is indicative of any malfeasance on the part of the employer.

Of course Barr told Berman that being fired looks bad. Because it's true. Probably goes without saying, though. Was Berman taking the opportunity to complain that Barr was treating him like an idiot, by spelling it out?

Why of course! It was a friendly gesture because Berman surely had no idea of how common hiring practices work.

For mental gymnastics, that should be a 9.2 on technique, but unfortunately you flunk on artistic merit.
 
I think it's actually pretty common for an employer to give an employee the option of resigning rather than being fired.
But you know what's not common? for the employer to announce the resignation of an employee when that employee has not actually offered their resignation.
I don't think there's anything unethical about the practice, nor do I think offering the option is indicative of any malfeasance on the part of the employer.
But you know what is unethical? To try to force someone to resign, not because they re doing a poor job, but to allow the position to be filled by someone unsuitable for the job (like, for example, someone who has never tried a case becoming the head of the SDNY, or someone who would likely grant favoritism in their actions).

You know what else is unethical? Lying to the public multiple times... first about how Berman resigned, and then how Trump fired him (both of which were contradicted).
Of course Barr told Berman that being fired looks bad. Because it's true. Probably goes without saying, though. Was Berman taking the opportunity to complain that Barr was treating him like an idiot, by spelling it out?
As someone else pointed out... getting fired can look bad. But, when you are talking about the Trump administration, I suspect many people view getting fired as a sign of integrity.
 
I think it's actually pretty common for an employer to give an employee the option of resigning rather than being fired. (It's also pretty common not to give that option.)

I don't think there's anything unethical about the practice, nor do I think offering the option is indicative of any malfeasance on the part of the employer.

Of course Barr told Berman that being fired looks bad. Because it's true. Probably goes without saying, though. Was Berman taking the opportunity to complain that Barr was treating him like an idiot, by spelling it out?

Another Moebius hoop of contortion in trying to justify, "Nice career youse enjoyin', be a shame if we had to say youse got fired."
 
Trump commutes Roger Stone's sentence

https://twitter.com/CelesteKatzNYC/status/1281741909338337280

“Roger Stone is now a free man!” — Here’s the full White House statement on the Trump commutation :

Document embedded in tweet.

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1281746621236158465?s=20

This statement again attacks the jury foreperson. The judge found zero evidence she acted improperly. In fact, a juror chosen by Stone’s team to testify said the foreperson urged them to take more time to consider a charge on which most had already decided Stone was guilty.

https://twitter.com/lrozen/status/1281779093390974977?s=20

31/36 Trump pardons/commutations to Trump personal/political contacts, per Goldsmith count

https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1281760392948088832?s=20

For those working the White House beat, probably a good time to review how the Chief of Staff defined collusion in the George Papadopoulos interview: trying to optimize the stolen emails.

In short, the Chief of Staff's definition of "collusion" is, "What Roger Stone did.*"

*Did, on Trump's orders.
 

Everyone might need to wait, because, as the Wiki article you linked mentions,

"presidential commutations are rarely issued, but when granted they have generally occurred after the convicted person has already served a substantial portion of his or her sentence: "We can't find any cases, certainly in the last half-century, where the president commuted a sentence before it had even started to be served," said former Justice Department pardon attorney Margaret Colgate Loveseats"
 
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It'll be interesting to see what this does to Trump's approval rating. His cultists don't care, of course, but there may still be a few who could spit out the kool-aid.

People voted for Trump because they thought or imagined that he would do something for them. Can they now claim they were right? Reagan pretty much won in 1980 when in a debate he asked "Are you better off today than you were four years ago?" For many voters the answer was no. How will the Trumpers answer that question?
 

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