Mueller Investigation pt 7

The Roger Stone – Wikileaks – Russia Hoax

Craig Murray said:
As ever, the Guardian wins the prize for the most tendentious reporting of Roger Stone’s conviction. This is not quite on the scale of its massive front page lie that Paul Manafort visited Julian Assange in the Ecuadorean Embassy. But it is a lie with precisely the same intent, to deceive the public into believing there were links between Wikileaks and the Trump campaign. There were no such links. [...]
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Must read, Black Knights.
 
Here's the latest big new lie to pay attention to.

Trump is still trying to sell the lie that the whole Mueller investigation was a witch hunt, (never mind the convictions and guilty pleas). So he has directed his minion, Barr, to investigate the initial FISA warrant to spy on Carter Page.

So it has been leaked? announced? to the press that the investigation has uncovered some supposed altered document by an FBI agent that was submitted to the court for the FISA warrant. Oooouuu, the smoking gun!

But oddly enough this leak/announcement was tossed out there to simmer with the implication it is some big important thing (even though it has already been suggested the alteration was insignificant). The actual mystery of what this is won't be released until Dec 9th.

The Hill (which I have lost confidence in, sorry for using their summary).
An FBI official is being investigated after allegedly altering a document connected to surveillance of a 2016 Trump campaign aide, CNN reported Thursday, citing people briefed on the matter.

The alleged altering was reportedly discovered as part of Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz's probe into whether the FBI followed the law and its own policies while applying for a warrant to surveil a former Trump campaign official Carter Page during the 2016 election.

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said this week that a report of Horowitz's findings was expected to be released Dec. 9.
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Fox is playing this up, of course.

NYPost Washington Post quietly changes story on altered Russia probe document
I can't find the WA Po article but a lot of people don't have access to it anyway.
The Washington Post deleted a key detail from its reporting about the FBI lawyer accused of altering a document related to the surveillance of a former Trump campaign adviser, according to a new report.

The newspaper nixed a portion of its story that identified the lawyer as an FBI employee underneath Peter Strzok, the ousted FBI agent who worked on the feds’ investigation into Russian election meddling, Fox News reported.

The update was made just after midnight Friday without explanation.

The lawyer in question is accused of fudging the document related to the FBI’s Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act court warrant application to surveil Carter Page in 2016.

The altered paperwork, however, did not change the validity of the warrant, according to the Washington Post. Two officials told the newspaper that the lawyer was forced out over the incident.
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So what do you do with a smoking gun that isn't really smoking? You hint and tease that you found this incriminating thing for ~3 weeks so that is sinks in that the FISA warrant was obtained using fraudulent information. And once that sinks into the subconscious of the believers, you release the actual detail that said finding was a 'nothing burger' at a time when, in a few months people will forget that part and only remember the claim something fraudulent was found.

NPR: Initial beliefs are hard to dislodge.

And yes, GOP marketers are well aware of this. Trump has people working for him that are also aware.
 
Armitage72 said:
In literature, a black knight conceals their heraldry (identity) to perform misdeeds while being protected by their anonymity.
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Yeah, but Empress has the Monty Python and the Holy Grail Black Knight in mind.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Here's the latest big new lie to pay attention to.

Trump is still trying to sell the lie that the whole Mueller investigation was a witch hunt, (never mind the convictions and guilty pleas). So he has directed his minion, Barr, to investigate the initial FISA warrant to spy on Carter Page.
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Your TDS is preventing you from understanding simple facts. The FISA investigation started 11 months before Barr was sworn in.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
:boggled: Something tells me you need catching up on current events.
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The technical point that the IG review of the FISA warrant began in March 2018 is correct.

Barr opened an inquiry (now technically a "criminal probe") into the SC Russia investigation in May 2019, headed by John Durham.

It should be noted, however, Bogative's technicality completely misses the overall thrust of your point. Nor is it remotely appropriate to leap to the conclusion that you made the error do to some kind of derangement. It's just a slightly different way of parroting the claim that everyone who doesn't like Trump is "biased." Totally unoriginal.

The entire gambit echoes the exact situation in front of us. One lawyer fudging some records doesn't invalidate the warrant, nor does mixing up which specific investigation it was Barr initiated therefore invalidate the claim that Barr has enacted an "investigate the investigators" strategy.
 
The DoJ Inspector General's report is out - it comprehensively and definitively shoots down any idea of a Deep State conspiracy theory to spy on the Trump campaign.

1. The decision to open the Crossfire Hurricane investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 Presidential election was correctly and properly opened, predicated on actual evidence that a foreign power, namely Russia, was influencing the Trump campaign, and was attempting to interfere 2016 election.

2. The decision to open the investigations into George Papadopoulos, Carter Page, Paul Manafort and Michael Flynn were correctly and properly opened, predicated on actual evidence of wrongdoing.

3. The investigations were opened because of a tip from a foreign country, namely Australia. The Steele Dossier had nothing whatsoever to do with the opening of any investigations.

4. There was no evidence, either in documentation, or testimony, that any of the investigations were influenced by political bias on the part of anyone involved in the investigations.​

Its a slam dunk, but of course, Trump's DoJ stooge Bill Barr will reject it because it doesn't say what he wanted it it say. Expect another investigation to be started soon. I expect he will keep doing this until he either gets what he wants or runs out of time.

tanabear's pet theory that the investigations were some sort of "insurance policy" is hurtling to the ground in flames - its bollocks, and it always was bollocks.

Full report here: https://context-cdn.washingtonpost....note/3b009e27-d246-4798-ad7d-9b43c0f61194.pdf

Read it and weep Trump Trash!


ETA: Here is a brief video in which former DEA Administrator Chuck Rosenburg discusses the FBI guidelines for beginning an investigation
(The whole video is 7:28, Rosenburg begins at 5:25

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/ag...s-backing-opening-of-russia-probe-74782789550
 
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smartcooky said:
The DoJ Inspector General's report is out - it comprehensively and definitively shoots down any idea of a Deep State conspiracy theory to spy on the Trump campaign.
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It must really be embarrassing when autocrats can't even get their underlings to get them the results they ask for.

Its a slam dunk, but of course, Trump's DoJ stooge Bill Barr will reject it because it doesn't say what he wanted it it say. Expect another investigation to be started soon.
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Which makes Trump's complaints that the Democrats are engaged in a pointless witch hunt* and that they should focus on getting the job done quite ironic.

* : A witch hunt that has caught several witches, and which doesn't even fit the definition of a witch hint in the first place.
 
You can expect Trump supporters to continue claiming Trump's campaign was spied on regardless of the report's findings. Trump will never acknowledge the report's findings as accurate. It would not be surprising if he now begins to claim the IG investigation was biased and fixed.
 
smartcooky said:
The DoJ Inspector General's report is out - it comprehensively and definitively shoots down any idea of a Deep State conspiracy theory to spy on the Trump campaign.



1. The decision to open the Crossfire Hurricane investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 Presidential election was correctly and properly opened, predicated on actual evidence that a foreign power, namely Russia, was influencing the Trump campaign, and was attempting to interfere 2016 election.



2. The decision to open the investigations into George Papadopoulos, Carter Page, Paul Manafort and Michael Flynn were correctly and properly opened, predicated on actual evidence of wrongdoing.



3. The investigations were opened because of a tip from a foreign country, namely Australia. The Steele Dossier had nothing whatsoever to do with the opening of any investigations.



4. There was no evidence, either in documentation, or testimony, that any of the investigations were influenced by political bias on the part of anyone involved in the investigations.​



Its a slam dunk, but of course, Trump's DoJ stooge Bill Barr will reject it because it doesn't say what he wanted it it say. Expect another investigation to be started soon. I expect he will keep doing this until he either gets what he wants or runs out of time.



tanabear's pet theory that the investigations were some sort of "insurance policy" is hurtling to the ground in flames - its bollocks, and it always was bollocks.



Full report here: https://context-cdn.washingtonpost....note/3b009e27-d246-4798-ad7d-9b43c0f61194.pdf



Read it and weep Trump Trash!
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That "other investigation" already started and is being run by John Durham. Signals seen in drafts of the IG report and anonymous comments indicate that in responses to IG inquiries, he provided no evidence supporting any of the "insurance policy" nonsense. Where his beliefs lay is anyone's guess, but even Barr's hand-picked investigator seems to not be pushing the narrative they want.
 
Barr is lying is bare ass off in his statement about the IG report.
This is completely unprecedented.

The only possible explanation at this point is that Trump has some Kompromat on him involving waterfowl and cream cheese.
 
Barr's statement:

The Inspector General's report now makes clear that the FBI launched an intrusive investigation of a U.S. presidential campaign on the thinnest of suspicions that, in my view, were insufficient to justify the steps taken.
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