Mueller Investigation pt 6

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plague311 said:
Not enough evidence to indict and no evidence at all are two completely different things.

You knew that though...probably.
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"Not enough evidence" Try zero evidence.

It is a legal cliche that you can indict an ham sandwich, but you cannot indict anyone over the fake Trump Russia collusion scandal. Why wasn't Joseph Mifsud or Julian Assange indicted?

Because this entire story was a western intelligence PSYOPS against the American people.
 
PhantomWolf said:
And to be honest, this is the biggest issue in the whole thing. People that follow this crap legal advice from Rightwing idiots across the internet who have come up with this crazy-ass pseudo-legal term, are basically telling people that it is acceptable to violate the law and that they will get away with it. What it will result in if people are stupid enough to do it, is a lot more people ending up in jail because of things that they shouldn't and clearly should not, have done, but did because of stupidly bad advice from idiots.
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It's starting to sound almost Sovereign Citizen/Freeman on the Land-ish.

"I know I'm not guilty of what they're investigating, therefore the cops AREN'T EVEN ALLOWED TO TALK TO ME!!!"
 
Fake Skeptics and Police State liberals.

I can sum up the rigorous logic and evidence-based standards by the police state liberals that inhabit these forums.

"Trump is guilty of collusion."
Evidence: I hate Trump.

"Trump is guilty of obstruction."
Evidence: I hate Trump

'Trump is Putin's puppet."
Evidence: I hate Trump

"Trump should be impeached."
Evidence: I hate Trump
 
tanabear said:
I can sum up the rigorous logic and evidence-based standards by the police state liberals that inhabit these forums.

"Trump is guilty of collusion."
Evidence: I hate Trump.

"Trump is guilty of obstruction."
Evidence: I hate Trump

'Trump is Putin's puppet."
Evidence: I hate Trump

"Trump should be impeached."
Evidence: I hate Trump
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It weird that after all of the evidence provided you're still going with that as if the rest of us can't see the thread...hell or the Mueller report for that matter.
 
tanabear said:
I can sum up the rigorous logic and evidence-based standards by the police state liberals that inhabit these forums.

"Trump is guilty of collusion."
Evidence: I hate Trump.

"Trump is guilty of obstruction."
Evidence: I hate Trump

'Trump is Putin's puppet."
Evidence: I hate Trump

"Trump should be impeached."
Evidence: I hate Trump
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TOTAL NONSENSE.

You pretend as if there isn't evidence of these things.

You ignore the Trump Tower meeting.

You ignore the countlesss contacts between Trump campaign officials and those same officials lying about it.

You ignore Trump firing Comey and him saying that the reason he fired Comey was because of the investigation.

You ignore that Trump administration has been trying not to enforce sanctions on Russia implemented first by his predecessor and then by this Republican Congress.

Trump should be impeached because he's a criminal. The orders to his administration to disobey Congressional subpoenas is a violation of the Constitution which he swore to uphold.

Then there is his corruption and violation of the Emoluments Clause

Want to pretend again that this is just because we don't like the dishonest orange turd?

Or are you going to pretend again that Trump isn't a criminal?
 
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tanabear said:
"Not enough evidence" Try zero evidence.

It is a legal cliche that you can indict an ham sandwich, but you cannot indict anyone over the fake Trump Russia collusion scandal. Why wasn't Joseph Mifsud or Julian Assange indicted?

Because this entire story was a western intelligence PSYOPS against the American people.
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The big lie. Trump lies and you eat his crap sandwich. Nothing fake about Trump's CRIMINAL ACTS. Man should be in prison.
 
Horatius said:
It's starting to sound almost Sovereign Citizen/Freeman on the Land-ish.

"I know I'm not guilty of what they're investigating, therefore the cops AREN'T EVEN ALLOWED TO TALK TO ME!!!"
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Fifth Amendment to the Constitution of the US, the right to remain silent. The "cops" can ask questions but there is no requirement to answer them. In fact one could simply declare their 5th Amendment rights at the beginning of questioning and quickly end the session.

Chris B.
 
acbytesla said:
The big lie. Trump lies and you eat his crap sandwich. Nothing fake about Trump's CRIMINAL ACTS. Man should be in prison.
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Innocent until proven guilty. If you know something Mueller doesn't please provide your evidence of these "criminal acts" to the proper authorities for consideration.

Chris B.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Fifth Amendment to the Constitution of the US, the right to remain silent. The "cops" can ask questions but there is no requirement to answer them. In fact one could simply declare their 5th Amendment rights at the beginning of questioning and quickly end the session.

Chris B.
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Taking the Fifth Amendment is not obstructing justice, and some (all?) of the obstruction of justice that Mueller details does not involve anyone taking the Fifth.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Fifth Amendment to the Constitution of the US, the right to remain silent. The "cops" can ask questions but there is no requirement to answer them. In fact one could simply declare their 5th Amendment rights at the beginning of questioning and quickly end the session.

Chris B.
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The fifth amendment is not the right to remain silent. It is the right to not answer questions that could incriminate yourself in a crime. You have no right to ignore subpoenas or to not answer questions about other people or to not answer questions about yourself that wouldn't implicate you in a crime.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Innocent until proven guilty. If you know something Mueller doesn't please provide your evidence of these "criminal acts" to the proper authorities for consideration.

Chris B.
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The authorities already have that information in the Mueller report, volume 2, in which Mueller details several incidents in which every element of the crime of obstruction of justice is fulfilled. The reason Mueller didn't prosecute is because of the DOJ regulation that says you can't prosecute a sitting president. But the crime of obstruction of justice is all there in volume 2.

For a handy summary, see the chart at https://www.lawfareblog.com/obstruction-justice-mueller-report-heat-map
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Innocent until proven guilty. If you know something Mueller doesn't please provide your evidence of these "criminal acts" to the proper authorities for consideration.
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Mueller provided plenty. You seem to have overlooked this:
More than 650 former federal prosecutors have signed onto a statement asserting that if the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) did not prohibit a sitting president from being indicted, President Trump would be charged with obstruction of justice.
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https://www.axios.com/trump-obstruc...ors-b5599d27-681f-4944-b04c-9743224f55e2.html
https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-prosecutors-trump-obstruction-20190506-story.html
https://medium.com/@dojalumni/statement-by-former-federal-prosecutors-8ab7691c2aa1
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Innocent until proven guilty. If you know something Mueller doesn't please provide your evidence of these "criminal acts" to the proper authorities for consideration.

Chris B.
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He's not a convicted criminal. I grant you that. But Trump is in fact a criminal. Just as OJ is a killer. For that, there really is no doubt.

Trump absolutely committed dozens of counts of obstruction. I'd bet a thousand dollars Trump committed bank and insurance fraud as well. Probably, money laundering as well. Trump has avoided prosecution before becoming President simply because he has the privilege that goes with being enormously wealthy. Lots of his crimes such as tax evasion have been uncovered that the statutes of limitations have passed.
More recenty, that he's avoided being criminally charged and convicted has more to do with his office than the evidence.

Nope, Trump is a criminal and we all know it. Some of us just don't care because he has an "R" after his name.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Fifth Amendment to the Constitution of the US, the right to remain silent. The "cops" can ask questions but there is no requirement to answer them. In fact one could simply declare their 5th Amendment rights at the beginning of questioning and quickly end the session.

Chris B.
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Haha, where did you get your Law degree...in a box of Froot Loops?

You are conflating two different things here, 5A and Miranda

5A is part of the US Constitution

Miranda is part of US Jurisprudence

The two things have nothing to do with each other.
 
tanabear said:
I can sum up the rigorous logic and evidence-based standards by the police state liberals that inhabit these forums.

"Trump is guilty of collusion."
Evidence: I hate Trump.

"Trump is guilty of obstruction."
Evidence: I hate Trump

'Trump is Putin's puppet."
Evidence: I hate Trump

"Trump should be impeached."
Evidence: I hate Trump
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Does it not occur to you that people hate Trump because of all those things and more? BTW, you left off grabs women's genitalia.
 
phunk said:
The fifth amendment is not the right to remain silent. It is the right to not answer questions that could incriminate yourself in a crime. You have no right to ignore subpoenas or to not answer questions about other people or to not answer questions about yourself that wouldn't implicate you in a crime.
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First, it is precisely and specifically the right to remain silent.

Second, I made no such claim of ignoring subpoenas.

Third, you do not have to answer questions about other people if you think by doing so you may be implicated in some type of crime.

Chris B.
 
smartcooky said:
Haha, where did you get your Law degree...in a box of Froot Loops?

You are conflating two different things here, 5A and Miranda

5A is part of the US Constitution

Miranda is part of US Jurisprudence

The two things have nothing to do with each other.
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Priceless.

Chris B.
 
Belz... said:
You are misinformed. Perhaps you shouldn't get your information from biased sources that are trying to distract you.

Except from the pee-pee tape, pretty much everything in the dossier has been verified.
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If you'll buy that, I've got a Russian Consulate in Miami, FL. to sale you.
 
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