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MSNBC Suspends Olbermann Without Pay

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I always thought Olberman considered himself a "journalist".

Whereas Hannity and Beck freely admit they are commentators.

Has Olberman ever said he was a commentator.
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K.O. & Maddow actually believe they are news reporters. I wonder if POTUS Obama still stands by his favorite folks in the media?


MADDOW: The Democratic politics fairy came to visit us today. And the Democratic politics fairy brought us here at THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW two gifts. First, a White House spokesman today brought up on a gaggle on Air Force One the issue of those darn liberal cable news hosts on the MSNBC. But he brought us up in order to say something nice about us. This is a nice change.

Spokesman Bill Burton described COUNTDOWN and this program as, quote, “helping to keep our government honest and pushing and prodding to make sure that folks are true to progressive values.” Mr. Burton said the president, quote, “thinks that those folks provide an invaluable service.”
That was very nice. Nice personally. Of course, it‘s very flattering. But it‘s also nice in the sense that in an election year, it is nice for liberals to hear someone from the Democratic-controlled White House talk about liberals without swearing at them. None of that means, of course, that we will stop reporting the news in the way that sometimes makes the Democratically-controlled White House swear at us again, but still very nice.
 
They do report news. They may put a spin on it. They may tell it from a slanted pov, but they still report things that their viewers may not have known...you know, news.

Are they "News Reporters" in the traditional sense? No. Nor are Hannity, Beck, O'Reilly, or any over at FOX. Where does Maddow claim to be a "News Reporter" now?

TAM:)
 
The difference between Fox and MSNBC is that MSNBC reports news and then gives opinions about the news and facts. Fox makes up their own "facts" and give their opinions based on that mythos.
 
T.A.M. said:
They do report news. They may put a spin on it. They may tell it from a slanted pov, but they still report things that their viewers may not have known...you know, news.
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They report punditry. Their viewers get their news from "The Daily Show."

Are they "News Reporters" in the traditional sense? No. Nor are Hannity, Beck, O'Reilly, or any over at FOX. Where does Maddow claim to be a "News Reporter" now?

TAM:)
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None of them are "news reporters" in any sense. As to Maddow believing she is a "news reporter." Here is a clue. What does a news reporter do?
 
thaiboxerken said:
The difference between Fox and MSNBC is that MSNBC reports news and then gives opinions about the news and facts. Fox makes up their own "facts" and give their opinions based on that mythos.
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Saying this is not proving this. How about some actual facts to back up your opinions. What FOX News news anchor/news reporter has made up facts?

MSNBC prohibits any expressions of critical thinking by their on-air hosts regarding their now temporarily suspended chief manure spreader. FOX News has no such restrictions about their on-air pundits criticizing other FOX on-air pundits.

Joan Walsh, liberal editor-in-chief of Salon.com, asked with a straight face, who is comparable to Limberger and Beck on the left, Mika Brzezinski and Joe Scarborough could only make a not so cryptic reference to Olbermann. They are restricted from even mentioning his name as an example, just mention his name. Why? Does MSNBC actually believe their audience is unaware that Olbermann is a bookend to Limberger? Isn't that why he is/was their star trained seal?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdHHUWAHNVA
 
Fox News "facts"

Death Panels.
200 million/day for Obama's visit to India.
Mexican Drug Lords control 2 ranches in Texas.
War on Christmas
 
thaiboxerken said:
Fox News "facts"

Death Panels.
200 million/day for Obama's visit to India.
Mexican Drug Lords control 2 ranches in Texas.
War on Christmas
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No links to any of these? No wonder. You haven't a clue as to the difference between commentators/pundits and news reporters and news anchors.

200 million/day for Obama's visit to India.
US to spend $200 mn a day on Obama's Mumbai visitPress Trust of India,

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/us-to-spend-200-mn-a-day-on-obama-s-mumbai-visit-64106


Here is what FOX News said:

Security Entourage Earning Epic Reputation Ahead of Obama India Visit

"The details on the trip, extensively reported in the Indian media but strongly disputed by U.S. officials, read like lyrics for a hawkish version of "The 12 Days of Christmas."

The president will be accompanied by 40 aircraft, 3,000 people, a fleet of cars and 34 warships, according to a string of blow-by-blow news updates. The Press Trust of India quoted an official in the state of Maharashtra pegging the cost at $200 million a day.

White House spokesman Tommy Vietor shot down the $200 million-a-day figure -- to put the outrageous sum in context, that's 5 million times Rachael Ray's recommended $40 a day.

"The numbers reported in this article have no basis in reality. Due to security concerns, we are unable to outline details associated with security procedures and costs, but it's safe to say these numbers are wildly inflated," Vietor said. "

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ning-epic-reputation-ahead-obama-india-visit/


Mexican Drug Lords control 2 ranches in Texas.
Nothing

War On Christmas
No such news story reported by FOX News anchors/reporters.

Not a news story, rather an opinion piece of commentator O'Reilly.

"The expression "war on Christmas" has often been used to denote Christmas-related controversy in the media.[11] The term gained notability thanks in part to its use by conservative commentators such as Peter Brimelow and Bill O'Reilly during the first few years of the 2000s decade."

Death Panels.
"Tonight on FNC’s Hannity, host Sean Hannity was discussing how the Democrats have pulled back on health care reform and the death panels, when FNC contributor Dick Morris corrected him and said that there never was any death panel. "

Beck, and Hannity are pundits, not news reporters.

http://www.politicususa.com/en/Death-Panel-FNC


Now, do you have any examples where FOX News news reporters are "making up their own facts?"
 
ummm...didn't the Pentagon shoot down the whole "40 aircraft, 34 warship" thing a few days ago?

TAM:)
 
OK, this is too good to pass up:

We'll miss you, Keith.
Oh, and just to kick him while he's down:

(In case you don't get the reference, it's a parody of this)
 
If it's a policy KO agreed to, then he screwed up and should face the consequences - and he's a hypocrite and should be raked over the coals. If Scarborough and Buchanan also violated the same rules, then MSNBC is a hypocrite and should be raked over the coals.

As for FOX and its commentators, they "contribute" far more by having people on their own shows than they ever would by giving actual money. Not to mention BEING people WITH their own shows.
 
Kestrel said:
Rachel Maddow made exactly this point. The suspension shows that in contrast to Fox, MSNBC is a news organization.
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Really? I would expect a news organization to be only interested in presenting me the news, straight up and unbiased, and factual.. and not at all concerned about perceptions of bias or the like. They are supposed to be above all that. If people think they are biased, but they are speaking honestly and factually, it's tough if those people have some other perception. To cater to that mentality strikes me as bad journalism.

Ziggurat said:
No it doesn't. The policy is intended to create an impression of objectivity. It does nothing to create actual objectivity.
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Yes, exactly...
 
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Rachel Maddow said:
...you'll see that we can lay that old false equivalency to rest forever.
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Anyone who has checked your ratings knew that already OSNAP! :D
 
T.A.M. said:
A key difference, though, is that FOX donated AS A NEWS ORGANIZATION to a political party/group. AFAIK, MSNBC has not done the same.
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When I looked it up, for the "fox donated a million dollars to the RGA" thread, I couldn't find any evidence that Fox News, as an entity, donated any money to any political causes. Most, by a large margin, of NewsCorps donations went through a magazine publishing company that I can't remember the name of (American something or other).

As Brainster points out, MSNBC did, as an entity (two, actually), donate money to the Dems during the 08 election. It wasn't much, as corporations go, but there it is. I don't think it had ever donated anything before or after - though I haven't checked recently. GE, I think, tended to donate more or less evenly between the two parties.

Note, I am just going off of memory right now so I apologize if I got anything wrong.
 
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I think it was NEWSCORP, of which Fox is the PR arm...lol

If you look at the two companies (GE and NEWSCORP) you seem to get different pictures. GE, as you said, donates about 50-50. NEWSCORP, not so much. Personally, I don't think Organizations or Corporations should be allowed to donate at all. Should have to be an individual person only. Just my opinion though.


TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
I think it was NEWSCORP, of which Fox is the PR arm...lol

If you look at the two companies (GE and NEWSCORP) you seem to get different pictures. GE, as you said, donates about 50-50. NEWSCORP, not so much. Personally, I don't think Organizations or Corporations should be allowed to donate at all. Should have to be an individual person only. Just my opinion though.


TAM:)
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Like I said, when I looked it up NewsCorp wasn't really the donation arm, it was one of their properties that did. But NewsCorp isn't just Fox News either, they own a variety of other properties.

ETA: For all my fuzzy memory serves me: For the 2010 cycle, News Corp affliliates' donations versus GE affiliates' donations. Neither donated through the news property for this cycle.
 
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T.A.M. said:
If you look at the two companies (GE and NEWSCORP) you seem to get different pictures. GE, as you said, donates about 50-50. NEWSCORP, not so much.
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I don't see a big difference.

Looking at the data for contributions over $10,000 from any given subsidiary in the 2010 cycle provided by elbe, GE gave about 66% to democrats whereas NewsCorp gave about 70% to democrats.
 
BeAChooser said:
I don't see a big difference.

Looking at the data for contributions over $10,000 from any given subsidiary in the 2010 cycle provided by elbe, GE gave about 66% to democrats whereas NewsCorp gave about 70% to democrats.
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A quick glance down the list of heavy hitters suggests, to me*, that media empires tend to lean democratic with their political donations (and NewsCorp is a media empire); but, judging by the numbers, they consider pouring money into bill lobbying a far more worthwhile endeavor. 10s of thousands of dollars into political campaigns doesn't quite match up to the millions lobbying for bills that, may, directly impact them.

*I may be finding pattern where none exist, all I did was skim.
 
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