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Russ said:
1) I believe there is historical precedent that elements within our government have been willing to self inflict damage to further a larger set of goals.
2) I believe that there is evidence of foreknowledge of 9/11.
3) I believe at the very least it was facilitated by elements within our current administration.
4) I believe it has been the subject of a significant cover up.
5) I believe that according to recent polls that I am within a high percentage of the population that feels we have not been told the truth.
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  1. At Dawn We Slept. A reasonable premise is that the Pearl Harbor attack was expected, as well the Philipines, and the response by US forces was unexpectedly lame, hence the reliefs of Stark et al.
  2. Evidence? Looking forward to seeing that.
  3. MIHOP or LIHOP?
  4. What has been covered up? How bad the anti terrorist coordination was, or a MIHOP/LIHOP cover up?
  5. I am sure we have not been told the whole story, nor the whole truth. It is not in the interest of anyone still sitting/serving to make themselves look any more culpable, via malice or incompetence, for the 9-11 attack than the success of the attacks makes them.
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Just a quick note to add to the welcoming committee...

Welcome, sivazh.

Welcome, Russell.
 
Huntsman said:
How quickly you forget...

Remember your Flight 93 thread?

Your assertion, based on a drawing done by SRGOTI* on notebook paper, that the plane shoudl be buried in the ground or accordianed on top of it?
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Who could forget that? I still LMAO, over it. We printed it, and put it on the fridge. People always would ask....then have a chuckle. Classic CT history.
 
Russell Pickering said:
Well that was a waste of an hour. My entire post was deleted in the blink of an eye for the use of links.

I will have to start over and answer your questions later.

Sorry.
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LOL

Couldn't you have used, like, the 'back' button in your webbrowser? :)
 
Scientologist said:
Russell:

Thanks for your thoughtful response. I apologize for being rude.
===Snip===
You're a respectable guy and I'm sorry I jumped the gun on you but you're still a goddamned fruitcake.
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So you end by being insulting and rude? Gee, Sci, that was a bit harsh.

(Says he who is not unknown for using the flamethrower.)

DR
 
Scientologist said:
I agree but you can coat a turd with gold but its still just a turd.
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This is true, but if you give it a title consisting of any randomly chosen word(s) you wish (or simply call it "Untitled") and display it under glass with a little placard using any polysyllablic word ending in "-ism" as part of its description, you can probably get an exhibition at your favorite local gallery. It also helps if you wear Buddy Holly glasses.
 
negativ said:
This is true, but if you give it a title consisting of any randomly chosen word(s) you wish (or simply call it "Untitled") and display it under glass with a little placard using any polysyllablic word ending in "-ism" as part of its description, you can probably get an exhibition at your favorite local gallery. It also helps if you wear Buddy Holly glasses.
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I LOL'ed.
 
Huntsman said:
How quickly you forget...

Remember your Flight 93 thread?

1) Your assertion, based on a drawing done by SRGOTI* on notebook paper, that the plane shoudl be buried in the ground or accordianed on top of it?

2) We laughed at you not because your opinion differed, we laughed at you because you're an idiot.

*-SRGOTI-Some Random Guy On The Internet
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1) Officials said the plane burrowed underground and I don't necessarily agree 100% with those drawing.

2) You know insulting is against the rules here right?
 
Killtown this is a thread to welcome Russell Pickering, not you.

You have a thread about Flight 93, if you wish to continue it bump it.

Now, are you going to welcome Russell here or not?
 
OK. Hutch was right about overwhelm. I did use the back button and it was gone.

Thank you to everybody for the welcome.

Hi Killtown. Despite our significant differences we do share the same resulting beliefs - yes. Please follow the spirit of this discussion and behave yourself mister.

I will use up my posts here until I can link and then start over with Scientologist's original questions since they require links.

1. Do you believe there were hijackers on board the flights?
2. Do you believe the phonecalls made on that morning were faked?
3. Do you believe that the planes were switched out?
4. Do you believe that the passengers are still alive or met another fate besides the one offered in the official story?
5. Do you believe the "hijackers" are still alive?
6. Do you believe the Bin Laden videotape is fraudulent?
7. How many people/agencies MINIMUM do you believe would have to be kept silent/paid off, etc to keep a lid on 9/11?
8. Do you believe firefighters made the decision to pull building 7 and, if so, were they in on the conspiracy as well?
9. Were the Bali bombings, 7/7 bombings, and 3/11 bombings also products of the US government?
10. Do you believe Al Qaeda is a terrorist organization that would like to have international muslim law?
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1) I do believe that individuals posing as hijackers or believing they were hijackers were involved. The State Department has turned over the remains of five bodies to the FBI that have never been positively identified.
2) I have serious questions about the Barbara Olsen call. Remember I specialize in the Pentagon incident. The conflicting stories of Ted and the logistics of using a credit card on an air phone or a cell phone is in question to me. I also do not believe the pilot was standing at the back of the plane hoping for tips on what to do.
3) I don't have a complete opinion on a swapping of planes. I do believe that at the least there were technology adaptations. Avionics is not my specialty but I am studying Apathoid's paper and have inquiries out to specialists to further define my position. The weakness to my position is that I believe first that Hani didn't fly the plane and then second I am looking for alternatives.
4) I believe that said passengers and crew were sadly killed at the locations described. This is something I hold a high degree of respect for and do not treat lightly.
5) I believe whoever manipulated the situation was also killed as described. The five bodies from the Pentagon are evidence of that.
6) I believe Bin Laden directly denied his involvement initially. That is not normal. Most times groups will take credit even if it is not their doing. I believe Bin Laden is not wanted by the FBI as is indicated on their own site for crimes related to 9/11. I believe the idea that he is still free is unrealistic. I am not a video analyst but do have some doubts about the video that are unfounded from a technical point of view.
7) I believe a very small number of people in the USG actually had full knowledge of the situation. I believe the actual operational aspects were carried out by people with a value system that values American life less than their own. I believe most others may have been given orders that they had no conscious idea of in relation to what happened. I believe some of them in retrospect may see the picture now.
8) I do not believe in any way that rescue personnel were involved. Remember I was a professional Seattle firefighter when 9/11 happened. My first doubts about what happened came from our USSAR team and what they told me. Another time on that story.
9) I believe 7/7 was very suspicious because of the exact scenario being played out in a drill simultaneously. I am not informed on the others. I believe false flag terrorism is an international issue.
10) I believe there are elements within radical Islam that are associating themselves with the organization we refer to as Al Qaeda and they would desire global dominance if they had the opportunity. Al Qaeda did not name themselves and to this day do not have a flag or symbol which is traditional.

Russell
 
Welcome Russell...

The LC forum banned me on the first day I could post there so I'm sure you don't remember me.

Anyway I read your points with interest and was quickly impressed with your correct use of the words: "I believe"

If only all CTers would be so honest! Of course belief needs no evidence, just an internal and subjective feeling. Since this is basically all the various CTers have to work with I believe this makes you a rare bird indeed...a truther with a demonstrated respect for the truth.

It's a good start. You are clearly under no self-imposed pressure to support or explain your beliefs but I do look forward to you doing so in your own good time. I'm most interested in what makes you CTer types tick since I've been all over the CT's themselves and simply can find no substance. My tack now is more to research the mindset...a kind of psychological autopsy as it were. Although I have no expertise in this area I do find it a fascinating subject and I did stay at a Holiday Inn Expresss last night. ;)

I look forward to hearing your story...not necessarily the CT, but how you came to the CT....your political views...and anything else pertinent you feel free to share??

Take care,
-z
 
Russell Pickering said:
The weakness to my position is that I believe first that Hani didn't fly the plane and then second I am looking for alternatives.
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To be fair, I think the part in bold could be applied to all 10 of your points as you don't seem to have any evidence for your beliefs, yet hold them none the less.

edit - sorry, not all 10, I should have excluded 4,5 & 8
 
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Russell Pickering said:
10) I believe there are elements within radical Islam that are associating themselves with the organization we refer to as Al Qaeda and they would desire global dominance if they had the opportunity. Al Qaeda did not name themselves and to this day do not have a flag or symbol which is traditional.

Russell
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I've read and seen documentaries that Al Qaeda is their official name derived by them. Originally they were OBL's private army that trained at a specific location called "The Camp", and adopted the name Al Qaeda which means, I think in Dari, "The Camp". So I guess that would be their official name.

I want to ask, in your opinion, what they stood to gain from staging the attack? Motive is important.
 
dirtywick said:
I've read and seen documentaries that Al Qaeda is their official name derived by them. Originally they were OBL's private army that trained at a specific location called "The Camp", and adopted the name Al Qaeda which means, I think in Dari, "The Camp". So I guess that would be their official name.

I want to ask, in your opinion, what they stood to gain from staging the attack? Motive is important.
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Al Qaeda's meaning is The Base.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda
 
David,

I will go further into substantiation when my ability to link and thus document appears.

Russell
 
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