Mother Terisa gets there at last

[Slowvehicle]

What facility for the impoverished? I mean you say it as if she was running a hospital in the area, which is false.

I know, lets get some real facts:

http://www.post-gazette.com/life/li...ntly-woman-tough-patient/stories/200710080207

Was she, or was she not, treated in a way different (in degree and in kind) from the "treatments" she provided to "alleviate (suffering)"?

 

[Donn]

What facility for the impoverished? I mean you say it as if she was running a hospital in the area, which is false.

I know, lets get some real facts:



http://www.post-gazette.com/life/li...ntly-woman-tough-patient/stories/200710080207

This is exactly the weird normal at work. Suffering is Jesus going all Jagger with the lips, but she's popping pills for pain. These two states exist with harmony. Weird normal.

She wants to gather souls for Jesus (shudder) but moves not to survive. Weird normal.

Another convinces her to go to hospital. Jesus and his loving kisses can wait. We'll be serving Chinese souls on a conveyor. Time for 21st Century medicine. For Jesus and Great Good!

Weird normal.

 

[The Big Dog]

So, according to your own source she allowed herself the painkillers that she denied her patients.

It is a vasodilator and you have not proven that she "denied' her "patients" painkillers.

 

[Vortigern99]

This article states that she was treated at Scripps.

Mother Teresa of Calcutta was listed as seriously ill Monday in the intensive care unit of Scripps Clinic & Research Foundation after experiencing heart failure and undergoing a procedure to open a blocked artery.

The 81-year-old Roman Catholic missionary and Nobel Prize winner is responding to treatment but will be hospitalized for at least a week, clinic spokeswoman Sue Pondrom said.

Mother Teresa was admitted to the renowned La Jolla clinic Thursday for treatment of bacterial pneumonia, and on Saturday developed symptoms of myocardial ischemia, an inadequate blood supply to the heart, Pondrom said.
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Unless someone cares to dispute the article as fraudulent, it seems inescapable that Teresa received superior, costlier care at this facility -- where she was hospitalized for at least a week -- compared to the poor conditions at her own facility for the impoverished.

What facility for the impoverished? I mean you say it as if she was running a hospital in the area, which is false.

I know, lets get some real facts:

Dr. Aubanel was originally from Tijuana, Mexico, and in 1990 the Catholic bishop of that city called her in California. The bishop asked her to see an elderly friend of his who had been in Tijuana and had gone to the San Diego area, was very ill and had not seen a doctor. She found Mother Teresa in a Missionaries of Charity convent, suffering from pneumonia and popping about 20 nitroglycerin pills a day for chest pain.

She refused to go to the hospital.

"I'm happy to go to Jesus," Mother Teresa said.

"Are you finished with your mission?" the doctor demanded.

For years Mother Teresa had been asking nearly everyone she met to pray that her sisters would be able to get into China. Now she asked, "Would you help me to go to China? Imagine all the souls for Jesus."

"I said that I will do everything that is possible so you can get to China," Dr. Aubanel said. Mother Teresa finally consented, entered Scripps Clinic and had five blood vessels to her heart unblocked.

http://www.post-gazette.com/life/li...ntly-woman-tough-patient/stories/200710080207

What do you mean "as if"? I did not say, write, think or imagine that she was running a hospital in the area.

My point, which you have made no effort to rebut, is that she received better care at the Scripps facility than any of her patients received at the facilities over which she had authority.

I have no dog in this race and am interested in the facts.

 

[Slowvehicle]

Sigh. Lets take a look:

My reply:

and your reply is:

W.T.F. That makes NO SENSE at all. and then you ask if I am contending she went to the hospital on one occasion, when I just said she went to a Hospital in Rome and near Tijuana.

C'mon man.....

Perhaps you might explain how many of the poor, whose suffering she found so beautiful and uplifting, were accorded the same level of treatment, even once.

Perhaps you might explain in detail what, exactly, she offered as treatment to "alleviate (suffering)".

 

[Slowvehicle]

It is a vasodilator and you have not proven that she "denied' her "patients" painkillers.

Perhaps you might explain the anodyne protocols she used to "alleviate (suffering)".

 

[The Big Dog]

What do you mean "as if"? I did not say, write, think or imagine that she was running a hospital in the area.

My point, which you have made no effort to rebut, is that she received better care at the Scripps facility than any of her patients received at the facilities over which she had authority.

I have no dog in this race and am interested in the facts.

None of the facilities she had authority for in the area where she was stricken in Tijuana were hospitals.

 

[Polaris]

What is your specific beef with Saint Cyril? The unreadable script he invented has gone out of fashion, centuries ago.

Wrong Cyril - I'm referring to the Patriarch of Alexandria. Specifically for inciting the murder of Hypatia.

 

[Slowvehicle]

None of the facilities she had authority for in the area where she was stricken in Tijuana were hospitals.

Did she, or did she not, receive care different both in degree and in kind from that she afforded the poor (whose suffering she found so beautiful and uplifting)?

What, specifically, were the anodyne protocols she established to "alleviate (suffering)"?

 

[Cleon]

I just hope they don't dig her up and put her on display.

That's one of the creepier Church traditions, IMO.

 

[ddt]

Wrong Cyril - I'm referring to the Patriarch of Alexandria. Specifically for inciting the murder of Hypatia.

Thank you for clearing that up. He was quite the character. Encroaching on the authority of the (also Christian) prefect Orestes, and then:

After Cyril rounded up all the Jews in Alexandria, he ordered them to be stripped of all possessions, banished them from Alexandria, and allowed their goods to be pillaged by the remaining citizens of Alexandria. With Cyril's banishment of the Jews, "Orestes [...] was filled with great indignation at these transactions, and was excessively grieved that a city of such magnitude should have been suddenly bereft of so large a portion of its population."

I can only guess his henchmen had "Gott mit uns" (but then in Greek) written on their belts.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

W.T.F. That makes NO SENSE at all.

Sure it does. Unless you're contending that a hospital couldn't offer a higher standard of care than the places Teresa ran do.

and then you ask if I am contending she went to the hospital on one occasion, when I just said she went to a Hospital in Rome and near Tijuana.

...on one occasion.

 

[ddt]

I just hope they don't dig her up and put her on display.

That's one of the creepier Church traditions, IMO.

Nah.

They'll split up the bones and send one to each of the missions so they all can become a pilgrimage destination.

 

[The Big Dog]

Sure it does. Unless you're contending that a hospital couldn't offer a higher standard of care than the places Teresa ran do.



...on one occasion.

Rome is in Italy.

Tijuana is in Mexico.

 

[Vortigern99]

None of the facilities she had authority for in the area where she was stricken in Tijuana were hospitals.

This does not address the contention that she received better care at the Scripps facility than any of her patients received at the facilities where they were treated.

That she received better, costlier care than her patients received is an example of hypocrisy. Why was her care better than theirs?

 

[ddt]

None of the facilities she had authority for in the area where she was stricken in Tijuana were hospitals.

You yourself called the mission she was at when she fell ill as a "clinic". A "clinic" is a kind of hospital.

Hypocrisy much?

 

[The Big Dog]

This does not address the contention that she received better care at the Scripps facility than any of her patients received at the facilities where they were treated.

That she received better, costlier care than her patients received is an example of hypocrisy. Why was her care better than theirs?

Because a soup kitchen and a refugee shelter do not provide medical care.

 

[Donn]

Because a soup kitchen and a refugee shelter do not provide medical care.

Essentially, this is an admission. She was not in said, thus her health could improve.

 

[The Big Dog]

Essentially, this is an admission. She was not in said, thus her health could improve.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

It is a vasodilator[...]

...which the article you cited said she was taking to alleviate her chest pain. Because that's one of the uses of nitroglycerin pills - to treat symptoms of angina, such as chest pain.

[...] and you have not proven that she "denied' her "patients" painkillers.

https://www.scribd.com/document/151794414/Mother-Theresa-s-care-for-the-dying

[...]how competent are the sisters at managing pain? On a short visit I could not judge the power of their spiritual approach, but I was disturbed to learn that the formulary includes no strong analgesics. Along with the neglect of diagnosis, the lack of good analgesia marks Mother Teresa's approach as clearly separate from the hospice movement.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/27/world/asia/mother-teresa-critic.html

Over hundreds of hours of research, much of it cataloged in a book he published in 2003, Dr. Chatterjee said he found a “cult of suffering” in homes run by Mother Teresa’s organization, the Missionaries of Charity, with children tied to beds and little to comfort dying patients but aspirin.