Most Republicans Are Birthers?

[Brainster]

Just for grins, I looked up "Taitz" from "CA" at Opensecrets. Turns out her political contributions are almost as hard to understand as her claims:

2008: $500 to the RNC, $2,000 to the California Republican Party.
2006: $500 to John Campbell (R), $500 to Joe Lieberman (I) and $1,000 to the Democratic Senatorial Committee.
2004: $300 to George W. Bush (R).

I'm trying to draw a line through those contributions, but I confess I'm completely baffled by the $1,000 to the DSC in 2006. Does that make any sense to anybody?

 

[Hokulele]

She likes to buy high and sell low.

 

[Dr Adequate]

That wasn't the only allegation made by people who claimed he stole the election. The conspiracy was bigger that that.



It amuses me to see people like you making a fool of yourself like this.

I brought up the conspiracy allegations from then to ask how the number of people who bought into that conspiracy compared to the number of people who bought into this conspiracy. You going off on a tangent to beat up on the strawman conservative you so obviously hate is just funny.

My, someone's grumpy today.

Please explain this conspiracy to us. Remember that it has to consist of people secretly doing something illegal, otherwise it isn't so much a conspiracy as it is a bunch of folks doing stuff.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Ah yes, of course. With your customary acumen, you have put your finger on the crux of the problem: the "wacko left's rantings".

I think the birther movement is essentially a complete trolling of Obama's entire presidency (the real-life troll if you will), and I wouldn't be surprised to see some kind of racist element in it. And the liberal media is eating this crap up like candy and milking it for everything it's worth, in some cases sweeping it as a reflection of the entire conservative base. That point was obviously lost to you before you ever laid eyes on my post...

I think the problem lies in the "belief;" in many respects the same reason why polls on American stances on evolution aren't very good either. Some idiots take on on a literalist view of poll questions in much the same manner the 9/11truth movement treats literalism like a godsend for their controlled demolition fantasies.

 

[GreyICE]

It amuses me to see people like you making a fool of yourself like this.

I brought up the conspiracy allegations from then to ask how the number of people who bought into that conspiracy compared to the number of people who bought into this conspiracy. You going off on a tangent to beat up on the strawman conservative you so obviously hate is just funny.

This amuses me, because you brought up one thing that wasn't a conspiracy theory, tried to turn it into a conspiracy theory, then whined when Dr. A called you on the fact that this was obvious nonsense. And then called it a derail.

Really, he's said everything he needs to about the issue, but honestly, I feel like reiterating that thinking that Bush tried to avoid getting votes recounted is hardly a conspiracy theory, given he had lawyers file injunctions to stop the votes from being recounted. That's not so much a conspiracy theory, as a keen grasp of the basic facts.

You've just claimed that discussion of your BS was off-topic, then restated the same BS. Care to explain yourself?

 

[GreyICE]

I think the birther movement is essentially a complete trolling of Obama's entire presidency (the real-life troll if you will), and I wouldn't be surprised to see some kind of racist element in it. And the liberal media is eating this crap up like candy and milking it for everything it's worth, in some cases sweeping it as a reflection of the entire conservative base. That point was obviously lost to you before you ever laid eyes on my post...

I think the problem lies in the "belief;" in many respects the same reason why polls on American stances on evolution aren't very good either. Some idiots take on on a literalist view of poll questions in much the same manner the 9/11truth movement treats literalism like a godsend for their controlled demolition fantasies.

You know, this is the second attempt in this thread to tie people who believe that the birfers are full of crap to the 9/11 truth movement.

I'm starting to think that we need a new Godwin's law for this forum - anyone who wants to run around yelling "you don't want to be seen as maybe saying this because that would make you like those horrible troofers (cut troofer, insert Nazis for full effect)" when the discussion has nothing at all to do with that stupid movement clearly are trying to shut someone up. I don't really think you can compare taking a poll question to mean, well, the question written in the poll is quite the same as thinking the government planned 9/11, but apparently some people 'think' in different ways.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

You know, this is the second attempt in this thread to tie people who believe that the birfers are full of crap to the 9/11 truth movement.

I'm starting to think that we need a new Godwin's law for this forum - anyone who wants to run around yelling "you don't want to be seen as maybe saying this because that would make you like those horrible troofers (cut troofer, insert Nazis for full effect)" when the discussion has nothing at all to do with that stupid movement clearly are trying to shut someone up. I don't really think you can compare taking a poll question to mean, well, the question written in the poll is quite the same as thinking the government planned 9/11, but apparently some people 'think' in different ways.

Aside from the literal interpretation of poll results I fail to see where I said anything about them being exactly like the truth movement. Perhaps you should read my post more carefully, because outside of that, the 911 truth movement is in a totally different league of stupid. I thought most people who don't follow it could tell the difference... That doesn't absolve the birther movement from how dumb it already is.

 

[GreyICE]

Aside from the literal interpretation of poll results I fail to see where I said anything about them being exactly like the truth movement. Perhaps you should read my post more carefully, because outside of that, the 911 truth movement is in a totally different league of stupid. I thought most people who don't follow it could tell the difference... That doesn't absolve the birther movement from how dumb it already is.

It's funny because there was absolutely no reason to bring up the truth movement unless you were doing exactly what I said, because the concept of 'flawed polling procedure' is well established. The surprise plot twist is that if you claim flawed polling procedure, you might have to demonstrate flawed polling procedure.

This way you can just write 'oh, you're just acting like a troofer hur hur hur' and hope it flies.

It doesn't fly. What, exactly, was so horrible about this poll?

 

[Dr Adequate]

Perhaps you should read my post more carefully, because outside of that, the 911 truth movement is in a totally different league of stupid.

No, not really. Any day now people are going to tell me that Obama's grandmother said "pull" and that fire can't melt birth certificates ... and the wheel will have come full circle ...

 

[Grizzly Bear]

because the concept of 'flawed polling procedure' is well established.

Not simply a flawed polling procedure; I was talking about some of the poll participants answering that they don't believe in Obama's citizenship standing anyway because they just want any excuse they can get the troll over Obama's presidency. I don't expect that every conservative answering yes to theat poll actually believes it. In either case it's a foolish stance for the conservative base to take on, I don't expect to align with that crap if it actually does spread beyond the 30% that poll supposedly depicts as answering "yes".

This way you can just write 'oh, you're just acting like a troofer hur hur hur' and hope it flies.

If you think I'm labeling liberals with the "twoofer" label by pointing out how some people answer to poll questions then feel free to make use of the ignore function. Maybe then I won't have you people slamming that down my throat. It really urks me when people put words in my mouth.

No, not really. Any day now people are going to tell me that Obama's grandmother said "pull" and that fire can't melt birth certificates ... and the wheel will have come full circle ...

Yeah, I guess you're right... when it comes to stupidity it comes in so many flavors it's hard to tell which is worse.

 

[GreyICE]

Not simply a flawed polling procedure; I was talking about some of the poll participants answering that they don't believe in Obama's citizenship standing anyway because they just want any excuse they can get the troll over Obama's presidency. I don't expect that every conservative answering yes to theat poll actually believes it. In either case it's a foolish stance for the conservative base to take on, I don't expect to align with that crap if it actually does spread beyond the 30% that poll supposedly depicts as answering "yes".

Okay, yeah, so your argument is that people who answer 'yes' aren't actually answering yes, they're just so crazy they think that answering yes will hurt Obama, rather than the Republican party?

Congratulations, you've come up with the only thing that would be worse than them being birfers - them thinking it's a good thing that people think of them as birfers.

I'm going out on a limb and calling that crazy talk.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

I'm going out on a limb and calling that crazy talk.

I don't think it matters either way... unfortunately I got a little stubborn in the confusion of our little argument and bloated this much more than I needed to without making any real point.*

The point that would've probably been better made was made in the parallel thread by Good lt. And what probably urked me when I first read this thread was the loose definition of the answers represented by the poll Dr. Adequate posted, that he broadened the criteria to include "unsure" answers into the "yes" category. "Unsure" tells me that the respondents probably didn't care enough to seriously demonstrate or yell out the point, and my opinion which you've already seen is that if his place of birth were such an issue it would have been dealt with... he isn't exactly immune to the prerequisites of presidential candidacy. I don't foresee the birther idiocy going any farther than a cult movement, and most times they may be focused in a particular political philosphy but they aren't grounded to a select political party.

*Hindsight and thinking back really stings