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Most Overrated Artists...

Yeah, I understand all that. I'm not trying to say that Leonardo's impact on painting wasn't enormous. I get that the Mona Lisa is an important piece, but I don't think it's the best example of his work. I like the Madonna of the Rocks better. Yeah, it's a religious piece, but it does a better job of showcasing his abilities with perspective and anatomy. I could much more easily lose myself staring into the details of Madonna of the Rocks than I could the Mona Lisa.

I also love Leonardo's drawings, and generally prefer them to his paintings. His drawings have more movement, and a tenderness I don't see as much of in his paintings.
 
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Do you mean I haven't been clear enough or what you're writing isn't clear enough?

No, your posts are fine. In the event that I don't understand you, I'll be sure to quote what's giving me trouble.

I was just composing what was about to turn into a particularly muddled minor essay that only rehashed what I'd already said. I decided not to post it, but if I should be struck with inspiration I'll try to improve it.

Again, thanks for the opportunity to really think these things through.
 
A few years ago I got to wondering -- are there any artists making a living using the medium that most of us probably started with -- Crayola crayons? As I just Googled, it turns out at least one.
Don Marco

He is now training an apprentice. I kind of wish I'd gotten into it when I first thought of it (I actually did make a couple attempts but didn't figure out how to get the effect I wanted.)
 
Don Marco's portrait of Sarah Palin is frightening. She does not look happy.

There are artists who use crayons, and a lot of watercolorists like to use them because they resist the paint and create nifty effects. I don't know if many use the Crayola brand specifically. Most probably go with higher end, artist quality crayons. I remember a guy telling me once he liked to draw with crayons, then iron the drawing to make the wax melt together.

Crayolas are great. They were the best part of going back to grade school. That new crayon smell beats new car smell hands down. And lucky kids got the big pack with a built in sharpener.
 
Don Marco's portrait of Sarah Palin is frightening. She does not look happy.

There are artists who use crayons, and a lot of watercolorists like to use them because they resist the paint and create nifty effects. I don't know if many use the Crayola brand specifically. Most probably go with higher end, artist quality crayons. I remember a guy telling me once he liked to draw with crayons, then iron the drawing to make the wax melt together.

Crayolas are great. They were the best part of going back to grade school. That new crayon smell beats new car smell hands down. And lucky kids got the big pack with a built in sharpener.

I would think oil pastels would be preferable to crayons. They look roughly the same and have the added benefit of being more smearable than our lovable Crayola friends.
 
As crayon art goes, I much prefer this guy.

Or this guy.

Hooloovoo,
I think the anatomy is stronger in the Mona Lisa, just look at those muscley babies on MonR! The layered blending that hides brushstrokes is more developed too, but yeah MonR is a more interesting composition and a more fun painting to look at. I'd take the sketches any day though.
 
As crayon art goes, I much prefer this guy.

Or this guy.

Hooloovoo,
I think the anatomy is stronger in the Mona Lisa, just look at those muscley babies on MonR! The layered blending that hides brushstrokes is more developed too, but yeah MonR is a more interesting composition and a more fun painting to look at. I'd take the sketches any day though.
I like the Crayola undies. And the carved crayons are amazing.

Babies look a little weird in most of the Renaissance painting I'm familiar with. They usually look like little adults with extra fat rolls and slightly bigger heads. That might be because they're almost always paintings of baby Jesus, and he's supposed to look wise beyond his years (that's just my guess, I could be completely wrong on that). Or maybe good infant models were tough to come by.
 
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A matrix for all these pieces

If anyone wants answers (at least partial) to any of the questions in this thread, or wants to see how his opinions fit into the whole schema of art, I have a suggestion: read Seven Days in the Art World by Sarah Thorton. An even deeper sociological overview of what makes prices, reputations, taste-makers, audience is Becker's The Art World.

I am not kidding. I have been making and exhibiting paintings for 40 years. I have taught art appreciation nearly as long. Now, nearly too late, I have found succinctness in describing the inner workings of art. Thorton does visual art; Becker does all arts.
 
A couple issues with Pollock, since he always comes up in this type of discussion.

1) Like many painters, his works aren't images but objects. (does that make sense?) looking at an image in a book or online does not do them justice. His best works are quite large, physically textured and pack a visceral impact. To me, looking at an image online is like looking at a picture of soup and judging how well it tastes.

2) I think he's a little harder to access, not because there is nothing there, and not because the meaning is dense or esoteric, but because it is so simple. We've been trained that meaningful art is a clever way of encoding metaphors, but that isn't a useful approach for a lot of work.

I'm not saying that every artist who's well known and rewarded has been good. Or even that everyone should be able to appreciate Pollock's stuff. Just like not everyone likes beets or calamari or sports.

But I do think there is real value in his paintings.
If you really want to try to see what's interesting about Pollock, I recommend these steps.

1) Again- Really see them in person.

2) Don't look for metaphors. The red isn't about anger or infidelity or childhood. It's paint that a guy flung around in the air. It's colors and shapes on a canvas. You can appreciate a piece of clothing with interesting colors or textures without looking for great meaning. One window into Pollock is to think of his work as a more complex example of that.

3) Go home and play with paint. Get a feel for how it moves. If you can, find a space where you can go crazy with it. Action painting is about the forensic evidence left by a physical process. We're seeing what was left over from doing something, like the footprints on a stage after a dance troupe has left. Think about the dance.

3) Jazz. In case you haven't guessed, music plays an important role, listen to the music that Pollock did. Bring your ipod or whatever into the gallery.

Finally, if you still don't enjoy his stuff... that fine. I think a lot of people have a notion that "The art world" thinks they're stupid if they don't appreciate what the art world celebrates. They may feel judged and reply with a "No, you're stupid!"

But in the end, not finding joy in a particular artist is just like not finding joy in a particular band or food. It could be that you might enjoy it with the right background info and approach, but there's nothing wrong with you if you don't instinctively have those or even if you still don't like something after a serious effort.

People pay huge money for truffle fungus too, or concerts for musicians I think are terrible. I think many people might be able to relax and enjoy paintings much more if they viewed them the way we view music and food and the other arts that we partake in daily instead of something that needs to be on some higher plane.

I disagree w/some of this to varying degrees and maintain my Bronx cheer to Pollack and the like, but this was an excellent post.
 

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