More, quick, proof that JDX is in way over his head

[Dog Town]

Excuse me, Weedwacker, I have asked you twice now, please post a link to the post at Filight info., that got you involved in all of this. That is a much easier question to answer, than all the ones you can't! Still waiting!

 

[apathoid]

Excuse me, Weedwacker, I have asked you twice now, please post a link to the post at Filight info., that got you involved in all of this. That is a much easier question to answer, than all the ones you can't! Still waiting!

He'll say it got deleted, you watch !

 

[Dog Town]

He'll say it got deleted, you watch !

What, he's an admin there as well? I mean, what...JDX is an admin there as well? So confused by socks!
I love the whole guilt trip CTers try to lay, as they run away! Quite childlike indeed!

 

[DavidJames]

I'm sure if you people can refrain from name calling...

Poor little weedwacker and JDX. This is what really grates me. CTists have no qualms about accusing innocent people of lying, take bribes, and otherwise hiding evidence for 9/11, and oh yeah, lets not forget mass murder, but goodness gracious, we better not say unkind things about them or they'll be offended, Please.

Grow up.

 

[apathoid]

What, he's an admin there as well? I mean, what...JDX is an admin there as well? So confused by socks!
I love the whole guilt trip CTers try to lay, as they run away! Quite childlike indeed!

Childlike? She's a D'oh sock too?? Didnt even suspect that...Count me as confused also

 

[bignickel]

Weedwacker posted in other threads
To be honest, I'd have to check all the math, but these wacky conspiracy theories are getting pretty wild. Some say that no planes hit the buildings in NY? I know crews that watched it!
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Everyone knows American 77 hit the Pentagon. Thousands of people saw it. But, I guess this is America and they can do what they want I guess. I still need to look over that site thoroughly.
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Hope his numbers are accurate, cause I'm ready to go over it with a fine toothed comb.
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I'll see what I can do.
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Still looking over the work.
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Still researching.
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In the meantime, I'll keep looking over his work.
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I'm still checking on it.
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I really have to look into this further. Thanks for all the help everyone.
I'll continue to post so observations.
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I'm still highly skeptical of JDX's claims of 480MSL. It appears he went to Boeing and a few other companies to get some answers, but was refused. I'm also trying to work some of my channels.
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Still researching.

Weedwacker, after all the time you've spent looking over JDX' site and math, we'd all REALLY like to see that critique you promised. It'd be a shame for you not to post it, after all the work you've done looking over his site and 'researching'. If you'd like, why don't you PM it to me?

 

[Gravy]

All pilots interpret instruments in their cockpit and cross check it with other instruments to make sure the primary instrument is telling them the truth. That is the basics of Instrument Flight.

JDX and the Pilots for Truth did exactly that when they saw the altimeter showing 480MSL at end of recording. They also tried to get the radar altimeter data through Boeing from the additional raw data .fdr file (not the csv), but Boeing refused to help due to "corporate relationships". One would think that if the additional raw data .fdr file supported gov theory, Boeing would be jumping at the bit to put their name on it. In this respect, JDX and I agree completely.

You're kidding, right?
I mean, you are kidding, aren't you?
You're joshing around, yes?
Pulling our legs?
Yanking our chain?

You think that people at Boeing should feel the need to provide evidence that a plane they manufactured hit the Pentagon?

 

[Gravy]

What forum is this "debunking area" to be on? JDX's or LC's? Is he willing to allow me to register? If so, does that mean he no longer wants me dead?

Weedwacker, can you ask him for me?

 

[R.Mackey]

How do you expect JDX to come here and debate you people when 4-6 of you are jumping on me at once? Imagine if he came here. I can't even keep up with your posts. This happened last night.

...yet you would move the debate to JDX's forum? A mad admin renowned for his ban-happy nature and propensity to edit others' posts left and right? Hypocrite.

Look, no debate is necessary. JDX released his results. They're wrong.

If he doesn't want to get into a heated conversation, he doesn't have to. All he has to do is publish a correction.

Scientists don't debate, except in rare cases where intuition is more important than theory and results (see Einstein-Bohr). They publish and critique each other. No dog-piling is needed, if JDX has any actual interest in accuracy.

Have a good day all. This site is useless and gets nothing done. We are going to the real experts such as the NTSB to get answers. Not some net junkies.

...says the guy upholding JDX's results, a net junkie if ever there was one.

Go ahead, go to the NTSB. We welcome their participation. Try to learn something. And make sure you check your attitude at the door, or else you may find yourselves ignored.

 

[eeyore1954]

...yet you would move the debate to JDX's forum? A mad admin renowned for his ban-happy nature and propensity to edit others' posts left and right? Hypocrite.

Look, no debate is necessary. JDX released his results. They're wrong.

If he doesn't want to get into a heated conversation, he doesn't have to. All he has to do is publish a correction.

Scientists don't debate, except in rare cases where intuition is more important than theory and results (see Einstein-Bohr). They publish and critique each other. No dog-piling is needed, if JDX has any actual interest in accuracy.


...says the guy upholding JDX's results, a net junkie if ever there was one.

Go ahead, go to the NTSB. We welcome their participation. Try to learn something. And make sure you check your attitude at the door, or else you may find yourselves ignored.

100% agreed but JohnDoe don't expect results by just calling and claiming to be an expert. Get a real independent expert analysis and forward it to the proper authorities. Why would you expect them to even take the time to look at your claims otherwise. Being a pilot does not qualify you as an expert in analysis of FDR's.


In this particular analysis it might be good to make sure you check your altitude at the door

 

[Belz...]

Have a good day all. This site is useless and gets nothing done is full of people who don't agree with me.

There, fixed it.

 

[Bell]

Funny you should ask...

I guess this answered my question.

 

[Dog Town]

Back by pop demand, look at Russell go!

So even if they are limited to just the thread we can't allow 2 JREFer's temporary access to have the discussion here?

I would post Dylan's own words on his thoughts about JREFer's here but as you know that thread and his words were disappeared. He seemed to think it was OK. Is there a way to find his thoughts on that and post them?

I feel it is a great idea to have some dialogue with another point of view.

The truth can only benefit from this.....right?

Maybe we should use democracy and have a poll to see if the people here are open to seeing both sides of this discussion. If we end up collectively being afraid of a different opinion then fine we can withdraw into our own theories and ideas without exposing ourselves to new information.

It might be just me but I feel truth has nothing to fear.

The hell with going there, come back WW, come back! This came out of the FDR discussion, and my has it grown. Now he is chasing Do'h around from thread to thread, to get his points heard. What a bunch of open minds. I would like to see a poll on this over there, though.

 

[T.A.M.]

ok, usually, though they are often completely wrong, I can understand the theories of the CTists. Here, however, i am puzzled...stumped if you will.

JDX and his "experts" are saying that the FDR data does not support a crash of AA77 into the pentagon, but rather a "Fly Over". Ok, so there point is what?

1. That the NTSB released FDR data that was "faked". Why would a government agency (part of the conspiracy) release data for a plane crash they say occured, and have that data prove their own plot false?

2. That the NTSB (part of the USG, hence part of the conspiracy) is coming clean, releasing data that proves there was no plane crash?

I guess, my point is, why would they (the NTSB, and hence the USG) release FDR data faked, or real, that would prove no crash occured, if these people were in on the "inside job" to start.

Seems to me, the thing to do, if I were an evil mastermind, would be to (a) fake data that proves a crash, or (b) not release the data at all.

WHY WOULD THE BIG BAD USG, THE GUYS WHO THE CTERS SAY CARRIED OUT 9/11 RELEASE DATA TO PROVE THEMSELVES WRONG??????

OMG I am gonna lose it with this insane crap.

TAM

 

[eeyore1954]

ok, usually, though they are often completely wrong, I can understand the theories of the CTists. Here, however, i am puzzled...stumped if you will.

JDX and his "experts" are saying that the FDR data does not support a crash of AA77 into the pentagon, but rather a "Fly Over". Ok, so there point is what?

1. That the NTSB released FDR data that was "faked". Why would a government agency (part of the conspiracy) release data for a plane crash they say occured, and have that data prove their own plot false?

2. That the NTSB (part of the USG, hence part of the conspiracy) is coming clean, releasing data that proves there was no plane crash?

I guess, my point is, why would they (the NTSB, and hence the USG) release FDR data faked, or real, that would prove no crash occured, if these people were in on the "inside job" to start.

Seems to me, the thing to do, if I were an evil mastermind, would be to (a) fake data that proves a crash, or (b) not release the data at all.

WHY WOULD THE BIG BAD USG, THE GUYS WHO THE CTERS SAY CARRIED OUT 9/11 RELEASE DATA TO PROVE THEMSELVES WRONG??????

OMG I am gonna lose it with this insane crap.

TAM

They didn't realize that great minds from the LC board would recognize it was wrong of course or they weren't smart enough to know it was wrong. They should have consulted John Doe while they were faking the data.



BTW
Is Weedwacker proof that you can clone a full grown human being from another one?

 

[Hellbound]

Is Weedwacker proof that you can clone a full grown human being from another one?

Full grown? As in adult?

No, not at all.

 

[bignickel]

I'm curious: at what point did

"I'm still highly skeptical of JDX's claims of 480MSL. It appears he went to Boeing and a few other companies to get some answers, but was refused."

turn into:

We are going to the real experts such as the NTSB to get answers.

?

 

[Dog Town]

I'm curious: at what point did

"I'm still highly skeptical of JDX's claims of 480MSL. It appears he went to Boeing and a few other companies to get some answers, but was refused."

turn into:

We are going to the real experts such as the NTSB to get answers.

?

Yeah, and where is the link to the flightinfo post?
I'm guessing it's when he looked in the mirror!

 

[jsiv]

Seems to me, the thing to do, if I were an evil mastermind, would be to (a) fake data that proves a crash, or (b) not release the data at all.

WHY WOULD THE BIG BAD USG, THE GUYS WHO THE CTERS SAY CARRIED OUT 9/11 RELEASE DATA TO PROVE THEMSELVES WRONG??????

OMG I am gonna lose it with this insane crap.

TAM

It's really quite simple.

A whistleblower leaked the data before the NTSB could finish faking it. It wasn't supposed to be released until it was completed.

 

[jhunter1163]

It's really quite simple.

A whistleblower leaked the data before the NTSB could finish faking it. It wasn't supposed to be released until it was completed.

They couldn't compile a fake FDR data file in FIVE FRIGGING YEARS? Give me a very, very large break. And, just because I like the smell of irony...

They're using FLIGHT 77'S FDR data, recovered FROM THE WRECKAGE OF THE PENTAGON, to prove that AA77 DID NOT HIT THE PENTAGON.

JDX, if you're reading this, read that last paragraph very slowly. Surely you realize how utterly stupid that makes you look. And don't lecture me about chain of custody and all that nonsense. You're grasping at holograms of straws now, not even REAL straws.