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CFLarsen said:
O.......K. So, it's Christian to steal food from non-Christians? Food that was buried by the Indians specifically to help the Indians survive?

It's people like Chick who makes us Europeans laugh.
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Duh. They don't deserve the food until they change their heathen ways and accept God.

I think Chick would make most Americans laugh, too. Sadly though, not all Americans.
 
Yeah, I remember reading Bradford's accounts, heavily influenced by his belief in providence. Their colony ultimately failed, but Chick left that part out.
 
CFLarsen said:
O.......K. So, it's Christian to steal food from non-Christians? Food that was buried by the Indians specifically to help the Indians survive?
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That whole bit is BS, so the point is purely hypothetical.

The Indians welcomed the Pilgrims and taught them how to grow corn.

The bad stuff came later.
 
CFLarsen said:
O.......K. So, it's Christian to steal food from non-Christians? Food that was buried by the Indians specifically to help the Indians survive?

It's people like Chick who makes us Europeans laugh.
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That's what Bradford thought. He believed that he was one of the few "saved" and everybody else was irrevocably damned from birth by God, including the Indians. Chick places so much emphasis on salvation and reversal, I don't understand why he doesn't hate Bradford (and all the other Puritans) for his (their) belief in predestination and call him Satan incarnate. The ideas of the two men are totally incompatible. Here Chick is, calling other Christian sects like Catholicism "devil worship" because they put statues all over the place, but the Puritans are in direct conflict with the purpose of his tract and yet he calls them "true Christians." I honestly don't get this man.
 
For some reason, Chick has this thing for inventing cruel and unusual tortures and showing people being cruelly hurt. What is that - sadism? If these cartoons were shown on TV, they would earn an Adults-Only rating of some sort for the violence content alone, let alone the "adult" content.

Chick is one sick, SICK puppy.
 
is the "bradford proclomation" authentic? some people dispute it as something (anti-christian) written in the 20th century. i haven't seen the final verdict. it wouldn't be that unlikely for them to give thanks for disease wiping out their neighbors.

i've seen jack chick attack many ethnic and relgious groups, but now american indians? i'm only 1/16th, myself, but the panel stating: "where they landed were no houses, no restaurants -- nothing but rocks, trees and wild animals" kind of offensive -- are indians less significant than rocks, trees and wild animals? not only that, since thanksgiving is an american holiday, (in this story), doesn't that put down all non-americans?

other things i've heard, but not been able to fully verify yet:
- the people on the mayflower were calvinist separatists, (wanted to make a new church), not puritans, (wanting to reform the church in england).
- they were very strict "fundamentalists", they observed the sabbath, refused to celebrate all holidays, including christmas and easter, (and would probably not accept a day set aside for 'thanksgiving').
 
cyborg said:
No. Christians in the US love to play the persecution card every time they can even though they're the majority and they're the oppressors.
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Heh... Jon Stewart did a bit on this awhile back where he said "maybe, one day... we can have 1, 2... maybe 43 consecutive presidents who are christian"
 
Ryokan said:

But is it true that kids can't say 'thanksgiving' at school in the US?
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Flipping through my official public school calendar...

It says...Thanksging Holiday

At least here they can say it.

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As for the rest (off the top of my head)...
They thought the Anglican church was too "catholicky" so they wanted to purify it. They stopped to replenish their beer supply which was running out. They expected to land in Jamestown, Virginia but were blown off course by a storm. The place they eventually settled was the site of an Indian villiage that had been either destryed by disease or wiped out by Massaquoit (the leader of the tribe Squanto was from, spelling is what I think it is and should not be taken without verification). Massaquoit sent Squanto because he wanted to get trade goods to use to help conquer the other tribes in the area (just like Powhatan and John Smith in this area, just because you live just this side of the stone age doesn't mean you're stupid).
 
Ya know, when I first read this, I tried googling everything I could think of and I could find no reference to "Thanksgiving" not being allowed in schools. Did Chick completely fabricate this meme out of thin air or is anyone aware of something it might have been based on, however tangentially?
 
I am closely involved in my kids' schools through the PTA and PTSA. I have never even heard a rumor of something like this. And we hear all kinds of crazy rumors. Last year, there was a rumor going around that Whyatica's high school was going to switch to a year round schedule. No. They are just moving back the start date for the next school year.

I think Jack Chick just made this up out of whole cloth.
 
Upchurch said:
Ya know, when I first read this, I tried googling everything I could think of and I could find no reference to "Thanksgiving" not being allowed in schools. Did Chick completely fabricate this meme out of thin air or is anyone aware of something it might have been based on, however tangentially?
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Well, it's probably based on the reports of school districts that have taken references to Christmas out of school pageants etc. I don't know whether this has actually happened, or whether it's anything more than a few isolated incidents. I've never heard of it happening with Thanksgiving, though. (Or Easter, for that matter...)

I do, however, consider Thanksgiving to be a religious holiday - or at least, as religious as Christmas. The original intent was for a day of giving thanks to god for his bounty. It clearly derives from,(or at least parallels) pagan harvest festivals involving thanking the gods for the year's crops.

Oh, and you Yanks celebrate it a month and a half too late! ;)
 
Upchurch said:
Ya know, when I first read this, I tried googling everything I could think of and I could find no reference to "Thanksgiving" not being allowed in schools. Did Chick completely fabricate this meme out of thin air or is anyone aware of something it might have been based on, however tangentially?
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My guess is that he didn't mean "You can't talk about Thanksgiving," but rather "You can't say thanksgiving," meaning you can't say a prayer. That one isn't true either, but it's the kind of twisting Chick has been known to do. But maybe I'm trying too hard. Maybe he just made it up completely, or thinks he heard it once somewhere. Facts and evidence don't seem to be too terribly important to Chick.
 
"Hey, Uncle Mort... What's Thanksgiving? I never heard of it..."

They need to let this kid out of the root cellar more often.
 
Please note, especially non-US folks who might not know American history.

Even from a USA fundy extreme pious point of view, Chick garbles it.

The usual fundy spinners pour heaps of God into the Thanksgiving story, and likely so did the pilgrims themselves being Puritans.

But Chick is simply point-by-point incorrect in all details.
 
Uhm yeah. Let's do this point by point.

1) From The Mayflower History Website :

The Mayflower was hired in London, and sailed from London to Southampton in July 1620 to begin loading food and supplies for the voyage--much of which was purchased at Southampton. The Pilgrims were mostly still living in the city of Leiden, in the Netherlands. They hired a ship called the Speedwell to take them from Delfthaven, the Netherlands, to Southampton, England, to meet up with the Mayflower.
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So no, the Mayflower did not sail from the Netherlands.

2) again from The Mayflower Website

To the Pilgrims, there were only two sacraments: baptism and the Lord's Supper. The other sacraments (Confession, Penance, Confirmation, Ordination, Marriage, Confession, Last Rites) of the Church of England and Roman Catholic church were inventions of man, had no scriptural basis, and were therefore superstitions, to the point of being heretical. The Pilgrims opposed mass, and considered marriage a civil affair to be handled by the State (not a religious sacrament). The legitimacy of the Pope, the Saints, and the church hierarchy were rejected, as was the veneration of relics. Icons and religious symbols such as crosses, statues, stain-glass windows, fancy architecture, and other worldly manifestations of religion were rejected as a form of idolatry. It was the rejection of the authority of the church hierarchy, and of the sacraments, that was the primary cause of conflict between the Pilgrims and the Church of England.
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Hardly this guy's idea of Christian.

and finally:

3) Again, from The Mayflower History Website

The old "Popcorn Myth" would have us believe the Indians introduced the Pilgrims to popcorn at this Thanksgiving: but the Indian corn they grew was of the Northern Flint variety, which does not pop well. It was parched to make a simple snack, and the Indians sometimes ground it up and mixed it with strawberries for a cake-like desert. Potatoes and sweet potatoes had not yet been introduced to New England.
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And

Few people realize that the Pilgrims did not celebrate Thanksgiving the next year, or any year thereafter, though some of their descendants later made a "Forefather's Day" that usually occurred on December 21 or 22. Several Presidents, including George Washington, made one-time Thanksgiving holidays. In 1827, Mrs. Sarah Josepha Hale began lobbying several Presidents for the instatement of Thanksgiving as a national holiday, but her lobbying was unsuccessful until 1863 when Abraham Lincoln finally made it a national holiday with his 1863 Thanksgiving Proclamation.
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So yeah. Did this moron get any fact right?


How do Christians take this jerk seriously?
 
Abdul Alhazred said:
Most, including fundies, do not take him seriously.

But he still earns a living by his "art". :D
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I wonder if I could consider it art if I sent him a box of my feces?

Could I sell a video of that as art?:D
 
Another, more subtle garblement is the part where it says that because of Squanto, the Indians accepted the Pilgrims. Actually the Wampanoags (Squanto's tribe) accepted and helped out the Pilgrims because they wanted to use them as a tool against rival tribes, Squanto was just a useful means of accomplishing that.

Then the Pilgrims showed their gratitude by siding with one of those other tribes against the Wampanoag. Lovely Christian gratitude, there.

I also find his portrayal of the Puritans as people who "just wanted to worship Jesus and reach the lost" to be incredibly amusing. They were strict Calvinists which meant they believed in predestination. So the lost were lost and there wasn't a thing you could do for them. "Reaching the lost" was most assuredly NOT on the Puritan agenda.
 
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