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Moral dilemma

TragicMonkey said:
You're only seeing one side of the transaction. Yes, your money will fund her religion. But, on the other side, her fudge will converted to energy for use by your atheist body, so that it may stride around defying her god! She's gotten some government-backed paper out of you, but she's actually made you stronger in return!
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Oh god, you all are killing me! :)

I am pretty much an anti-theist but I frequent the local church fish fry. As was said there isn't much you can do or buy that doesn't help something you are not going to like or approve of. You harm yourself more than anybody else by bothering with such things.

If you really find supporting the church in anyway abhorrent. I would barter for the fudge. Offer to empty her garbage everyday or something you can do that won't benefit the church but she personally would find worthwhile.
 
There is a difference in the following 2 points:
(1) Moral dilemma.
(2) Situation that can potentially trigger a moral dilemma.

We can list one thousand and one situations that can potentially
trigger a moral dilemma.
Eg. A money has "in god we trust" on it.
Eg. Buying a car, build by a certain group of people.

But a Moral Dilemma do not happen until it is noted by the decision maker and cause a conflict from within.

To resolve the dilemma, is just to resolve the dilemma.
Moral or not, right or wrong, a dilemma simply needs to be resolved.

Many people seek to explore it satifactorily in order to find more permanent resolution.
 
"you just deal with it and move on."

(1) it provides no info on how to resolves a dilemma.

Nevertheless it is action-oriented. If it cannot be resolved, then act. And the action shall be a defining force.

(2) it is perhaps provided by people who did not notice any dilemma.

They are "blind" to the dilemma. As they do not see it.
Or no information is available to expose the dilemma. Or ...

(3) it is perhaps provided by people who had already settled on their dilemma.
And they expect you to come to derive at a "reasonable" resolution.

Which could mean...
(a) "be reasonable, do it (decide it) my way. "
(b) You don't need to think, just follow.
(c) What? It seems stupid that you need to think about this?
(d) Isn't it easier to go by the book ?
(e) Isn't it easier you sucumb to your innate desire?

Dilemma demostrates that someone do think.
Moral Dilemma demostrate that someone do think about what is moral and what is not.

Religious people have it easy as their Moral Dilemma is already settled by other people. And perhaps by their god.

The advantage of having the Moral Dilemma or Dilemma resolved by others is that is gives much more energy for action. Right or worng, Moral standard are useless unless widely used.
 
Jyera said:
"you just deal with it and move on."

(1) it provides no info on how to resolves a dilemma.
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Life is full of dilemmas. Life is hard, there are relationships and stresses that can push people to the breaking point. To exist in this world is simply to deal with dilemmas. What color socks should I choose? Pants? Shirt? Should I wear a tie? Should I take an umbrella? If my child were to come to me with every such question I would try to instill in him or her the ability to make decision and to deal with the dilemmas personally. Deal with the decision and move on in life. It doesn't matter how you resolve the dilemma because the question is not significant.

IT'S JUST FUDGE! Christian churches are not evil and it is demonstrable that they can and often do good things to help society. My son received a blood transfusion made possible in part by a blood drive sponsored by the local church. If you needed blood to survive and it could only come from a Christian who donated it because of a request from his church would there be a dilemma as to whether or not you would use it? Hell no. So why is anyone agonizing over fudge? Please, someone, anyone explain this to me?

Are we really so certain that these individuals and their silly superstitions are the enemy? Do we really have such contempt for them?

You are insulting a large segment of our society that represents many fine institutions that in turn represent many decent individuals and you folks come unglued because a few of your bucks are going to a church. BFD, deal with it and move on. If you really have a dilemma then the problem is your own making and in your own mind. We might as well discuss the color of socks to wear. To make such a conclusion that there is indeed a moral dilemma is to be absurd. What if the proceeds where to go to a Jewish holocaust memorial and a local temple was raising the funds by selling fudge? Would any of you really come here to wonder if it is appropriate to allow your money to be used in such a way? What if the proceeds where to go to help at risk youth living in the inner city but were routed through a church?

The dillema is downright insulting and bigoted and I can't believe that there are those of you who can't see it for what it is. The very real problems associated with religion are not going to be solved by being petty and insulting to theists. They are NOT the enemy.
 
RandFan said:
The dillema is downright insulting and bigoted and I can't believe that there are those of you who can't see it for what it is. The very real problems associated with religion are not going to be solved by being petty and insulting to theists. They are NOT the enemy.
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*Scouser accent* Calm down, calm down.

Perhaps some form of smilie in the OP would have helped keep some peoples' stress levels down. I thought I had indicated a number of times that this is not really a serious moral dilemma.

"So there you are children, a good example of why one should never discuss religion" ;)
 
Beancounter said:
*Scouser accent* Calm down, calm down.

Perhaps some form of smilie in the OP would have helped keep some peoples' stress levels down. I thought I had indicated a number of times that this is not really a serious moral dilemma.

"So there you are children, a good example of why one should never discuss religion" ;)
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Sorry, my apologies to you. And never, ever think I won't take anything too seriously. It is a flaw in my nature. The problems as I see it now is that you have gone and rendered all of my hard work creating that post irrelevant in a matter of minutes. :D My righteous indignation has vaporized and now I just feel foolish. Such is life.

Thanks Bean,

I'm literally going back to bed.
 
RandFan said:
Sorry, my apologies to you. And never, ever think I won't take anything too seriously. It is a flaw in my nature. The problems as I see it now is that you have gone and rendered all of my hard work creating that post irrelevant in a matter of minutes. :D My righteous indignation has vaporized and now I just feel foolish. Such is life.

Thanks Bean,

I'm literally going back to bed.
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No, worries and sleep well! :)

Some things are well worth taking seriously and hence my comment that the smilie may have been appropriate.

I thought you made good points in your post so it is certainly not irrelevant (maybe just a bit to serious for the fudge thing ;) )

Bon nuit
 
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