Moonbat alert: Chomksy condemns Bin Laden kill.

[bikerdruid]

So they're going to rid the country of the Castros? Cool!

do try and keep up, eh?

viva fidel y raul!

 

[Joey McGee]

What you "hate", Joey, is stuff that doesn't confirm your world view, formed by what corporate media tells you, and suggests that you are being lied to. Frankly, you have disqualified yourself as a commentator on geopolitics when you didn't get what Jane was referring to with the "Great Game". You should start listening to what informed people tell you in this thread, instead of stomping your feet. You might actually learn something.

lol

If you simply google around "The Great Game" is used constantly by occultists and conspiracist cranks of all stripes all the time regarding modern foreign policy. Since I've spent a lot of time around these kinds of people and have spent a fair amount of time talking them out of these cult beliefs, I think I can be forgiven for having a cognitive bias towards that meaning in this situation. It's an obscure reference to an earlier time in history so whatever.

Sounds like the truther fallacy, "if you don't get everything right or can't explain everything therefore I am right and you are a "shill"

 

[Childlike Empress]

lol

If you simply google around "The Great Game" is used constantly by occultists and conspiracist cranks of all stripes all the time regarding modern foreign policy. Since I've spent a lot of time around these kinds of people and have spent a fair amount of time talking them out of these cult beliefs, I think I can be forgiven for having a cognitive bias towards that meaning in this situation.

Sounds like the truther fallacy, "if you don't get everything right or can't explain everything therefore I am right and you are a "shill"

No, you can't be "forgiven" for that. I don't have the patience to participate here but lurked and read your exchange with Jane, and this happened just after i've read that term for a basic concept of historical geopolitics on the german edition of a russian news wire using the original english term.

You're just way above your weight class here.

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[Joey McGee]

No, you can't be "forgiven" for that. I don't have the patience to participate here but lurked and read your exchange with Jane, and this happened just after i've read that term for a basic concept of historical geopolitics on the german edition of a russian news wire using the original english term.

You're just way above your weight class here.

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So your contribution to the pedantic argument over a term was to engage in a new pedantic argument over a term?

 

[Resume]

do try and keep up, eh?

viva fidel y raul!

Some are more equal than others.

 

[epepke]

Yeah Noam, I see atheists doing this all the time I really do hate the way he tries to make a point so it sounds really stupid and pathetic and later goes, "You idiots, I didn't mean it like that, I was in a rush, it was early after the event, the press was pressuring me for a response I was hungover, my dog ate it, the aliens are scrambling my brainwaves"

That's a good point, and it's the chief problem I have with Chomsky.

 

[JihadJane]

lol

If you simply google around "The Great Game" is used constantly by occultists and conspiracist cranks of all stripes all the time regarding modern foreign policy. Since I've spent a lot of time around these kinds of people...

Too much time, perhaps... It's addles the mind.

 

[stokes234]

I think if anyone pretends anything else is the case about these people they're fooling themselves and engaging in apologia for criminal idiots. Just because it's possible nitpick and manage to make an attractive apologia for their self-imposed plight, doesn't mean that that argument holds water when viewed from an objective standpoint.

I notice you didn't actually address my points, though. Cuba's left-wing economy results in higher average GDP and lower inequality than neighbouring Jamaica's capitalist economy, which doesn't exactly assure us that free-market reforms would result in an increase in prosperity. You've not yet made a case for why america should be determining the internal economy of cuba, or why it has any right to, and you've not made any case at all for why cuba should be singled out for a trade embargo when there are plenty of other countries with worse human rights records that get no sanctions whatsoever.

If my argument doesn't hold water from an objective standpoint, then try actually addressing it, rather than telling me i'm wrong and adding another useless description of "criminal" to the list of ad-hominems targetted at your political opponents.

 

[Skeptic]

How fortunate Americans must feel, to live in a country complete with a political prison,

In America, to go to the "political" prison, you need to be involved in an act of terrorism. In Cuba you need to, well, be against Castro about anything.

one-ideology state,

"One-ideology state" = a democracy with many parties, of which two are major but, of course, there isn't anything illegal in forming or voting for other ones (which do exist).

the beloved leader passing the country to his son as if it were his personal property,

He did? Gee. I thought there was this thing called "elections" before his son got into office. And not one where the son automatically "won" by 99% of the vote, exactly, either.

 

[Skeptic]

viva fidel y raul!

But, just to make sure, nobody who opposes them is actually allowed to run in the one-party sham "elections".

Just a small precaution, no doubt a necessity so as to stop the evil capitalists for stopping the revolution or something.

 

[bikerdruid]

But, just to make sure, nobody who opposes them is actually allowed to run in the one-party sham "elections".

Just a small precaution, no doubt a necessity so as to stop the evil capitalists for stopping the revolution or something.

....or to keep them from selling out cuba and cubans to american corruption, again.

 

[Virus]

The Cuban one-party fascist state. It's for their own good, you see.

 

[funk de fino]

If a Hamas militant is shooting at an Israeli soldier, misses and kills an Israeli child with that shot...it's not illegal. It's sad, yes, as it's sad when any child dies needlessly, but it would not be illegal.

I said read it again. Legal or not, to claim that killing children is justified is not just trying to say it is legal. If a Hamas scumbag walks up to a Israeli soldier stationed next to a school and explodes his bomb killing many children is that justified? No, is is not. It is not about the legality it is about his post saying basically that killing children was justified.

If the IDF built a gun turret on top of a children's hospital, and then hostilities broke out with Palestinians forces and the Palestinians were able to drop a JDAM on top of it, the responsibility for the deaths of those hundreds of children would be the IDF for making the children's hospital a target, and not the Palestinians who dropped the bomb.

Were the killings justified? Not were they legal, were they justified? How about NATO when they are in that position? What did they do when they found out there were civilians at a target they were about to take out?

There are rules to war, and the rules apply to both sides equally.

You don't see this issue "flipped around" because the IDF doesn't put military hardware on top of children's hospitals, but Hamas does. It's not about who's children get killed.

Rules are rule. Saying that killing children is justified is what I was posting about. I know the rules of engagement.

 

[bikerdruid]

The Cuban one-party fascist state. It's for their own good, you see.

compare cuba to jamaica, in terms of literacy, healthcare and poverty/ homelessness.
the average cuban is much better off than the average jamaican.

 

[jiggeryqua]

In America, to go to the "political" prison, you need to be involved in an act of terrorism. In Cuba you need to, well, be against Castro about anything.

You need to be accused of an act of terrorism, or of considering an act of terrorism, or of standing a bit too close to someone who might have once thought about the possibility of armed opposition to American imperialism.

"One-ideology state" = a democracy with many parties, of which two are major but, of course, there isn't anything illegal in forming or voting for other ones (which do exist).

Is your point merely that USA and Cuba aren't exactly identical? I think we all knew that. My point was that you judge them on different terms - 'us good, them bad' - though I appreciate objective assessments can be difficult if you live in the former.

He did? Gee. I thought there was this thing called "elections" before his son got into office. And not one where the son automatically "won" by 99% of the vote, exactly, either.

And before the elections the candidates have to be selected. I thought Bush Jr. hadn't won, but I'm only taking Michael Moores word for that - his name alone would probably be enough for some people to dismiss anything connected to it, but it carries more weight than yours...

You missed a bit, by the way:

15-year sentences for giving people "illegal" internet access

life sentences for giving people "illegal" plants

I'm not sure why you used the quotes on "illegal" (I was just following your lead myself). Countries make laws, they define legality locally. It would seem that you consider Cuban laws to be merely 'laws', not proper justice, like in the USA, but do set me straight if I'm leaping to conclusions. Another possibly hasty conclusion is that you imagine your value system to be objective - internet access good, 'drugs' bad - which would fit the general impression I'm getting that you criticise Cuba for not being the USA (which as we all know is "number one"...)

 

[Mycroft]

I said read it again. Legal or not, to claim that killing children is justified is not just trying to say it is legal. If a Hamas scumbag walks up to a Israeli soldier stationed next to a school and explodes his bomb killing many children is that justified? No, is is not. It is not about the legality it is about his post saying basically that killing children was justified.



Were the killings justified? Not were they legal, were they justified? How about NATO when they are in that position? What did they do when they found out there were civilians at a target they were about to take out?



Rules are rule. Saying that killing children is justified is what I was posting about. I know the rules of engagement.

You're splitting semantic hairs. "Justified" is subjective, "legal" is objective.

The rules of engagement are as they are because that is the standard of behavior we, as a society, have agreed upon.

 

[Toontown]

What we have here is a bad case of the bitches.

Bitches pissed because bin Laden's dead. Bitches pissed because some incessantly yammering idiot in an ivory tower is ruled a moonbat.

I am singularly unimpressed with both the bitches and the pseudo-civilization that spawned them. If the bitches have nothing better to bitch about than a dead thug, then perhaps a few decades of sweltering heat, drouth, dust storms, and famine might take their minds off the dead thug.

According to Bob Dylan, there oughtta be a law against them coming around, and the dumb bitches should be made to wear earphones. Because they know something is happening, but they don't know what it is.

Even the mild-mannered Obama is unimpressed with the bitches. The bitches, according to Obama, "need to have their head examined." At the head of the buzzbrained queque awaiting their head examinations would be Chomsky, the professional moonbat, followed closely by his noisy bitch entourage.

 

[stokes234]

What we have here is a bad case of the bitches.

Bitches pissed because bin Laden's dead. Bitches pissed because some incessantly yammering idiot in an ivory tower is ruled a moonbat.

I am singularly unimpressed with both the bitches and the pseudo-civilization that spawned them. If the bitches have nothing better to bitch about than a dead thug, then perhaps a few decades of sweltering heat, drouth, dust storms, and famine might take their minds off the dead thug.

According to Bob Dylan, there oughtta be a law against them coming around, and the dumb bitches should be made to wear earphones. Because they know something is happening, but they don't know what it is.

Even the mild-mannered Obama is unimpressed with the bitches. The bitches, according to Obama, "need to have their head examined." At the head of the buzzbrained queque awaiting their head examinations would be Chomsky, the professional moonbat, followed closely by his noisy bitch entourage.

This is supposed to be Non-USA & general politics, not Non-USA & general throwing insults around as if they constitute a real argument.

 

[Toontown]

This is supposed to be Non-USA & general politics, not Non-USA & general throwing insults around as if they constitute a real argument.

1. It's Non-USA political humor. And don't ever kid yourselves that you're not funny. Get real. you're funny. Unintentionally, but damn funny.

2. How does one construct a "real argument" against a lot of reality-challenged, opinionated, bitch-ass Chomskyite mumbo-jumbo? Ridicule is the best "argument" against that.

 

[funk de fino]

You're splitting semantic hairs. "Justified" is subjective, "legal" is objective.

The rules of engagement are as they are because that is the standard of behavior we, as a society, have agreed upon.

I am not splitting hairs, I was discussing exactly what he posted. His first sentence in fact. Hence me asking you to read it again. You are obviously confused on what part of his post I was saying was disgusting.

I gave you the chance and you kept on digging.