Montreal School Shooting

Raphael said:
This is the most frustrating thing about the coverage on CBC radio today.

Lots of interviews with angry "experts" about failures in the "system".

WTF?

Do they want to live in a police state?
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No, they want to live in an armored bubble where nothing bad can ever enter.
 
Raphael said:
This is the most frustrating thing about the coverage on CBC radio today.

Lots of interviews with angry "experts" about failures in the "system".

WTF?

Do they want to live in a police state?
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The bottom line is that if a guy is hell bent on killing a bunch of people, and the guy has even half a working brain, then he'll probably make it happen.
If a school is too difficult a target to penetrate, then a shopping mall, or a restaurant will do.

Luckily such occurences are very few and far between.
But, to say it's a failure in the system doesn't make much sense.
 
so this "angel of death" managed to kill....only himself? brilliant. Oh no wait wait wait, it was the cops that got him - he cant be given credit for that kill.
 
LashL said:
Five photos from his blog here:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/09/14/world/main2007311.shtml
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One photo has a tombstone with his name printed on it and the epitaph: "Lived fast died young. Left a mangled corpse."
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Original, eh? :p
He said on the site that he was drinking whiskey in the morning and described his mood the night before as "crazy" and "postal."
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Redundant too. :p
He said on the site that he liked to play "Super Columbine Massacre," an Internet-based computer game that simulates the April 20, 1999, shootings at the Colorado high school by two of its students that left 13 people dead.
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Nice game, fun for the whole dysfunctional family. Going on my Christmas list this year.
"His name is Trench. you will come to know him as the Angel of Death," he wrote on his vampirefreaks.com profile. "He is not a people person. He has met a handful of people in his life who are decent. But he finds the vast majority to be worthless, no good, conniving, betraying, lying, deceptive."
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A pity he never understood Sturgeon's Law.
Below a picture of Gill aiming the barrel of a gun at the camera there's the inscription: "I think I have an obsession with guns ... muahahaha."
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Witty too. I guess this guy was a real chick magnet.

I am glad he was a lousy shot. I suspect his "gun" obsession was tied to his (presumed) porn obsession. (It fits the profile)

DR
 
Crowbot said:
so this "angel of death" managed to kill....only himself? brilliant. Oh no wait wait wait, it was the cops that got him - he cant be given credit for that kill.
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One female student died and two others are still at risk. It is also unclear if he killed himself or if the cops did. At least one report states that he commited suicide after the cops shot him in the leg.
 
Raphael said:
This is the most frustrating thing about the coverage on CBC radio today.

Lots of interviews with angry "experts" about failures in the "system".

WTF?

Do they want to live in a police state?
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Nope...

... but I bet they can't resist getting in the newspaper with any ridiculous thing they might be asked to say...

:(
 
plindboe said:
CNN must have some bloodthirsty readers. Notice the links "Watch students flee the scene -- 1:38" & "Watch witnesses describe escaping through pools of blood -- 3:44".

Is this sickening entertainment, or is it news?
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It could also be a fortune cookie.
 
Just an intrusion here - am also close to the events - and still quite upset. I understand the issue of augmenting security levels of places such as schools not being a deterent for such future acts of violence. However, how do we stand on gun control? - can anybody shed light as to how a society can make a significant dent in rendering guns difficult to buy on the black market. What this guy used was not a hunting rifle - not the kind of arm you can register for and use for personal security. What can be done about that? - Is policing as it's being done now enough? It just seems to me to be too much of a fluke that a 25 year old can amass that much weaponry (apprently his car was found with a significant amount of amo) and where did he hide the stuff? - looks like, from the picutres, that he was still at "home".
 
mac said:
Just an intrusion here - am also close to the events - and still quite upset. I understand the issue of augmenting security levels of places such as schools not being a deterent for such future acts of violence. However, how do we stand on gun control? - can anybody shed light as to how a society can make a significant dent in rendering guns difficult to buy on the black market. What this guy used was not a hunting rifle - not the kind of arm you can register for and use for personal security. What can be done about that? - Is policing as it's being done now enough? It just seems to me to be too much of a fluke that a 25 year old can amass that much weaponry (apprently his car was found with a significant amount of amo) and where did he hide the stuff? - looks like, from the picutres, that he was still at "home".
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My kneejerk western redneck perspective is that $1billion pays a lot of front line cops salaries for their entire careers.

As background, $1billion is the figure that is given for what the revamped Canadian gun registry program has cost so far, as opposed to the initial $2million cost that was estimated when legislation was passed.
 
mac said:
....can anybody shed light as to how a society can make a significant dent in rendering guns difficult to buy on the black market......
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Sure. Law enforcement. The "black market" is against the law.

Don't have "enough" gun control? Maybe you should consider "evil control."

Mr. Gill freely offered plenty of evidence of his evil (or, perhaps, illness) long before this murderous rampage. But, likely, nothing was done because the law protects his "rights."

Yet Ottawa has no problem screwing with the rights of millions of firearms owners with it's worthless gun control measures.

I wouldn't worry too much about it. Nothing will change. Some folks never learn.

That includes both political leaders as well as the folks who vote them into office..............
 
Badger - I agree. Can I use your words, please? I'll omit the first 7 ;-) , but I'd like to use it in correspondence to the civic authorities - I think it's well put - and would make a good byline.

BTW - it was originally supposed to cost approx $120 million - and surpassed the $1 billion mark (I'm not sure but I think it's closer to $2 billion).
 
Huntster said:
I wouldn't worry too much about it. Nothing will change. Some folks never learn.

That includes both political leaders as well as the folks who vote them into office..............
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You are wrong.

I cannot agree that nothing will change. After 1989 the gun control registry was drawn up and implemented. It was a huge costly mistake. We have to do better this time. But we have to keep trying. Some folks do learn - we just have to keep at it until we get it right. Things did change after 1989, but it wasn't the right solution.

Another aspect of where change was evident between the two episodes is the police and emergency personnel response. That was why fatalities were much lower. Also we now have specialized hospital teams, trained in the States (Baltimore) where they can gain experience and knowhow in treating gunshot trauma.

We will never be able to stop this type of violence because it's demented, but we can try to find a way to keep these risks as few as possible.
 
mac said:
Originally Posted by Huntster
I wouldn't worry too much about it. Nothing will change. Some folks never learn.

That includes both political leaders as well as the folks who vote them into office..............
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You are wrong.

I cannot agree that nothing will change. After 1989 the gun control registry was drawn up and implemented. It was a huge costly mistake. We have to do better this time. But we have to keep trying. Some folks do learn - we just have to keep at it until we get it right. Things did change after 1989, but it wasn't the right solution.
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I hope you are right, but I'm sure you're not. I can literally guarantee that the "solutions" that Ottawa will continue to offer will be akin to the 1989 gun control fiasco. In fact, I'm sure the liberals are already bleating that the 1989 law "didn't go far enough."

Been there, done that.........

....We will never be able to stop this type of violence because it's demented, but we can try to find a way to keep these risks as few as possible.
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Again, I suggest violating the "rights" of the few clear and obvious kooks by picking them up before they lose their marbles completely rather than violating the rights of millions of peaceful firearms owners by playing silly, meaningless, and fruitless gun control games.
 
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