"Monster Quest" is actually good?

[GT/CS]

Yeah, their elite scientific investigations include sending 2 girls into the desert looking beneath small rocks for giant spiders the size of dinner plates capable of eating a dog. And how many scientific programs do you know of that have scientists sporting a Mohawk hair-do?

As for their eyewitnesses and investigators, some most would be better off getting treatment for substance abuse.

Sorry, but I just had to fix this one for you.

 

[GT/CS]

Keep the faith...

Roswell Rods

WP,
You of all people should know the truth about rods, and I'm guessing you do but you are fearfull of saying anything.

Well, I can't take it any longer. The truth must come out and I'm willing to pay the consequences.

Rods are real, or sort of real. They are also of alien origin.

In a nutshell, they are scouting parties for bigfoots in that they circle a bigfoot in a 5-mile radius and report back to it any humans or game cams in the area. And the government knows this. In fact, they are/were breeding and genetically engineering rods, and bigfoots, for use in the military but their breeding area (disguised as a FEMA death camp) was blown to bits during the Mt. St Helens eruption, which was caused by the moron bigfoots but that's another story.

That's all I am willing to disclose at the moment.

 

[Checkmite]

In all fairness for the show though, they spent the first 3/4's showing how it "couldn't" be faked and had a supposed expert say definitively that it wasn't a primate, followed by the last 1/4 showing exactly how the guy faked everything and having the hoaxers debunk the footage.

This is a MUCH more powerful tool in showing people who believe in bigfoot and the like how silly some of the claims are and that they should utilise critical thinking, rather than just going over the Patterson footage again and again and again with the same old arguments.

So are you going to get all excited over this in the face of the liberties they take with facts when it comes to known science?

Seriously, I'm not just "the bee guy getting all upset because they did bees wrong". Honey bees, including Africanized bees, are something that is well known about and the show completely threw it out the window.

They did feature, for about 3 minutes of show time, an actual scientist. Her name is Marla Spivak, and she specializes in honey bees (and was in fact named this week as a 2010 MacArthur Fellow!). In the show, she placed a bee hive - which the narrator referred to as killer bees - inside a walk-in refrigerator (without gloves or a veil - how vicious, those killer bees). After some time, she pulled a few frames on which the bees had gathered in a winter cluster and used an IR camera to show how the bees were keeping themselves alive by producing heat in that fashion. Now I know for a fact that Spivak wouldn't let them leave her lab under the impression that it was anything other than common, genetically-hardwired honey bee behavior. But the show, which curiously didn't have much in the way of speaking from Spivak herself, explicitly stated that the winter cluster was a behavior that "giant killer bees" are learning in order to adapt to colder weather, and further that this debunks bee scientists' "claims" that Africanized bees won't spread into mountainous areas and regions with long winters!

The tossers behind MonsterQuest were so happy they finally had a "monster" that nobody could deny was real, that they threw all that "actual research" you guys want to give them so much credit for completely down the well and spent a whole show cherry-picking facts, then distorting them, in order to make the "real monster" as scary and threatening as they could possibly get it to look.

MonsterQuest was not a "good show", it wasn't "well researched", it wasn't "good science", and the fact that they were forced to admit that obviously-nonexistent things were nonexistent because their sources were proven frauds isn't some kind of "redeeming feature".

 

[Weak Kitten]

Yeah, like I said Checkmite, I just caught a few shows and was wondering if the rest were any good. Looks like the answer is a resounding NO. The episodes I saw that were good were only that way because no one on the show liked the creatures in those episodes enough to try to warp the evidence.

So sad, but there you are. Just one more silly show.

 

[Archangel]

So are you going to get all excited over this in the face of the liberties they take with facts when it comes to known science?

Seriously, I'm not just "the bee guy getting all upset because they did bees wrong". Honey bees, including Africanized bees, are something that is well known about and the show completely threw it out the window.

They did feature, for about 3 minutes of show time, an actual scientist. Her name is Marla Spivak, and she specializes in honey bees (and was in fact named this week as a 2010 MacArthur Fellow!). In the show, she placed a bee hive - which the narrator referred to as killer bees - inside a walk-in refrigerator (without gloves or a veil - how vicious, those killer bees). After some time, she pulled a few frames on which the bees had gathered in a winter cluster and used an IR camera to show how the bees were keeping themselves alive by producing heat in that fashion. Now I know for a fact that Spivak wouldn't let them leave her lab under the impression that it was anything other than common, genetically-hardwired honey bee behavior. But the show, which curiously didn't have much in the way of speaking from Spivak herself, explicitly stated that the winter cluster was a behavior that "giant killer bees" are learning in order to adapt to colder weather, and further that this debunks bee scientists' "claims" that Africanized bees won't spread into mountainous areas and regions with long winters!

The tossers behind MonsterQuest were so happy they finally had a "monster" that nobody could deny was real, that they threw all that "actual research" you guys want to give them so much credit for completely down the well and spent a whole show cherry-picking facts, then distorting them, in order to make the "real monster" as scary and threatening as they could possibly get it to look.

MonsterQuest was not a "good show", it wasn't "well researched", it wasn't "good science", and the fact that they were forced to admit that obviously-nonexistent things were nonexistent because their sources were proven frauds isn't some kind of "redeeming feature".

We don't get the show out here as far as I'm aware (at least not on free to air) so I've only seen 2, maybe 3 of the episodes.

It's quite possible that all of your complaints are fair, but that wasn't the point I was trying to make - which in all fairness to you, I was kind of out of it yesterday when I posted so it may not have been very clear.

The point I was getting at was that the specific episode in question (Beast of Bray Road / Gable Film) would've been a good lesson in critical thinking for most of the believers out there watching the show.

It played up the fact that this creature was real and could in no way shape or form be a primate, the first 3/4s of the show would've had the believers salivating and then it whacked them over the head with the fact that no matter how good the evidence seems it can always be faked.

Now after reading some more about that episode in particular, from the person who staged the original hoax, it seems that the episode producers are not above editing and staging their own scenes to sensationalise the truth for their own benefits (all of the "Monsterquest investigated closer and found this was a hoax" actually was "Monsterquest was told by the hoaxer this was a hoax").

Does this sensationalism negate the fact that this episode should've been a whack by the clue-by-four? IMO no and infact it further shows that even when someone comes out with a position you agree with you should still employ critical thinking and investigate things before blindly accepting their version of a story.

 

[marlborough]

In all fairness, I use to be a fence sitter in regards of BF. However, MonsterQuest demonstrated to me that you have to rely on extremely poor judgment, bad science and a whole lot of deception to perpetuate something like BF. It was nice to think something like BF could exist, but The History Channel and MQ basically destroyed this. It was the sasquatch attack farces parts one and two that did it for me.

 

[GT/CS]

Same thing happened to me.

I saw the MonsterQuest ads about their upcoming Bigfoot program and was excited to watch it to see what new evidence there was of bigfoot. I figured there had to be something by then.

Then, NOTHING, the same old tired junk, footprints, PGF, sightings from loons, etc.

That was it for me. At the end of that program I decided once and for all that Bigfoot did not exist, and it was a pro-bigfoot program!!!

The incredibly pathetic Snell Grove Lake episode nailed that coffin shut for good.

 

[Wakeup]

When MonsterQuest started mounting cameras on RC toys that was the end.

It's bad enough people want to believe in Mythical Monsters but searching for them with Kids toys and fluoresent spray paint is a joke.

 

[dafydd]

I prefer Monster Munch.

 

[Cainkane1]

The problem I have with Monster Quest is that every episode is another Al Capone's Vault. But a dash of logic will tell you that, going into any episode, you already know that they are not going to make some earth-shattering discovery on the show, because if they did, you would have already heard about it. Any real, confirmed, discovery worth talking about would have been all over the news long before the episode aired. Instead we get a bunch of lunkheads walking around at night with infra-vision equipment, basically giving each other the willies every time an unseen animal in the woods makes a noise.

I had it with Destination Truth when they went to Iceland and actually tromped through a meadow at night looking for elves. Elves!

I think the "Destination truth" group goes where they are invited. I doubt if they expected to find any Elves but they were looking to find something. They never find anything in fact. No ghosts no extinct animals running around nothing. Ghosts Hunters sometimes show ghost phenemona which is fake whereas the Destination truth crowd never shows anythiong at all.

 

[Checkmite]

I think the "Destination truth" group goes where they are invited. I doubt if they expected to find any Elves but they were looking to find something. They never find anything in fact. No ghosts no extinct animals running around nothing. Ghosts Hunters sometimes show ghost phenemona which is fake whereas the Destination truth crowd never shows anythiong at all.

I don't believe the guy who runs/hosts "Destination Truth" actually ever expects to find anything at all no matter where he goes. I don't think he believes in any of it.

Subjective opinion, of course. But I'll tell you what - despite not believing in elves; if I had the money to run a show like Destination Truth, I would totally do it. And probably in the exact same way.

 

[cj.23]

Yeah, like I said Checkmite, I just caught a few shows and was wondering if the rest were any good. Looks like the answer is a resounding NO. The episodes I saw that were good were only that way because no one on the show liked the creatures in those episodes enough to try to warp the evidence.

So sad, but there you are. Just one more silly show.

I found it pretty entertaining and rather good myself. I never expected them to find any cryptids, but I do like watching them run around some interesting places, and actually it seems pretty educational - but I only saw the Gambia episode, and one in South Africa?

cj x