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[!Kaggen]

Besides which why is it that she hasn't been able to institute an effective nutrition initiative using her "low cost, no tech" solution despite the fact that she and her ilk does not have to jump through regulatory hoops to do so?

Because you and your kind have tied up all the money in your promises of a hunger free heaven with your pseudoscientific mumbo jumbo post diction nonsense.

Sound familiar religious historians?

 

[!Kaggen]

Oh, and I bike to work, so what's your point?

At least you have one heuristic right.
Although I bet you never worked out why you bike in your lab?

 

[!Kaggen]

Do you know how much 50 grams of coriander amounts to. Go buy 50 grams of coriander and try to incorporate into your food requiremnts for the day, every day and see how far you get. In shops here the average consumer does not ask for 50 grams, its too much. They say "chatak" which is akin to a small clutch of the stuff and lasts for two or three days of seasoning requirements.

I see so farmers that plant your gm eggplant and are used to using x grams of fertilizer on their current varieties will not be persuaded to use more to their benefit?

 

[Sceptic-PK]

Because you and your kind have tied up all the money in your promises of a hunger free heaven with your pseudoscientific mumbo jumbo post diction nonsense.

Says the guy who is yet to make a single post on these forums that makes any sense.

 

[GlennB]

Oh really

http://www.vegangela.com/tag/cilantro-coriander/

50g per day provides 100% RDA

That's a huge amount of coriander. Also it's seasonal and doesn't store in its leafy form.

 

[Susheel]

I see so farmers that plant your gm eggplant and are used to using x grams of fertilizer on their current varieties will not be persuaded to use more to their benefit?

I am not a scientist. Fertilizer? What has fertilizer got to do with it. Do you do any research or just depend on what Vandana Shiva tells you. it is about pesticide use, or dont you know the difference. And any farmer would be only too happy to spend less on pesticide. In the current scenario I can smell an eggplant farm from a mile away because of the saturation spraying currently practiced. We are talking about a 60 percent reduction in overall pesticide usage and higher marketable yield. Which farmer wouldn't want that?

 

[marplots]

And the citizen strikes back

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bicycle_sharing_systems

Good one.

On another note, what's the name of that book about the talking gorilla, where he dictates a game plan about natural living? I remember the ethical rule from it about allowing other organisms to thrive.

Do you know it? I can't recall, but if you've never read it, I'll figure it out - I think you'd like it a lot (and I want to reread it).

 

[!Kaggen]

Good one.

On another note, what's the name of that book about the talking gorilla, where he dictates a game plan about natural living? I remember the ethical rule from it about allowing other organisms to thrive.

Do you know it? I can't recall, but if you've never read it, I'll figure it out - I think you'd like it a lot (and I want to reread it).

Sorry don't know it

 

[marplots]

Sorry don't know it

Found it. It's called "Ishmael" (by Daniel Quinn)- it's philosophical story about sustainability and the impact of human culture told from the perspective of a gorilla to a reporter. Check it out if you get a chance.

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Ever wonder why there's a GM in GMO?

My God!!!! How deep does this go??

 

[!Kaggen]

Found it. It's called "Ishmael" (by Daniel Quinn)- it's philosophical story about sustainability and the impact of human culture told from the perspective of a gorilla to a reporter. Check it out if you get a chance.

Thanks it looks like a great read.
The reviews certainly summarize the story as being my view.
Well spotted.

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Besides which why is it that she hasn't been able to institute an effective nutrition initiative using her "low cost, no tech" solution despite the fact that she and her ilk does not have to jump through regulatory hoops to do so?

I've asked this question a million times. I've yet to receive an answer.

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Because you and your kind have tied up all the money in your promises of a hunger free heaven with your pseudoscientific mumbo jumbo post diction nonsense.

Sound familiar religious historians?

Actually, I think it would sound more familiar to a student of paranoid conspiracy theories.

 

[!Kaggen]

Some of the good work done by Navdanya on Earth Democracy, founded by Vandana Shiva in 1984

http://www.navdanya.org/earth-democracy

 

[Dymanic]

That's science fiction. I prefer science . . .

And, being such a science buff and all, you are no doubt aware that many of the scientific wonders we now take for granted were explored in science fiction long before they emerged as actual science. In response to another poster's question, I said that I was mostly joking with the Jurassic Park bit. The non-joking part is that while that film (which would have more accurately been titled "Cretaceous Park") may have taken certain liberties with its artistic license that some of us regarded as bordering on abuse, it may not be entirely without some value as a sort of lighthearted thought experiment; an entertaining hypothetical exploration of some of the possible outcomes of reckless use of our newfound ability to redesign organisms. I think its central premise has merit: It is naive to expect to be able to maintain perfect containment of frankenorganisms 100% of the time.

 

[sophia8]

Oh really

http://www.vegangela.com/tag/cilantro-coriander/

50g per day provides 100% RDA

Ok. Now go away, find a couple of jars of coriander spice, measure out 50g, swallow it. Then come back here and tell us about it.

Or did you fail to notice those recipes use fresh whole coriander plants and not seeds? Pretty much any green vegetable leaf will provide plenty of Vit A. One helping of lightly-cooked green cabbage, for example, provides around 50% RDA.

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Ok. Now go away, find a couple of jars of coriander spice, measure out 50g, swallow it. Then come back here and tell us about it.

Or did you fail to notice those recipes use fresh whole coriander plants and not seeds? Pretty much any green vegetable leaf will provide plenty of Vit A. One helping of lightly-cooked green cabbage, for example, provides around 50% RDA.

Yes, but the RDA is set by the government, and they're owned by Monsanto, aka "Big Ag".

(They're also owned by Big Pharma, so it can get confusing)

 

[!Kaggen]

~snipped for irrelevance~

Or did you fail to notice those recipes use fresh whole coriander plants and not seeds? Pretty much any green vegetable leaf will provide plenty of Vit A. One helping of lightly-cooked green cabbage, for example, provides around 50% RDA.

Correct that's why Golden Rice is a joke.
Just get people to eat some green vegetable such as whole coriander plants growing in the ditch at the side of the Indian road and Vit A deficiency solved.

 

[Susheel]

Oh yes...the whole "farmers are being harassed and arrested for saving their own seed" thing. Well good for her that she is helping to save these seeds. Funny thing is, this is already being done by state funded universities. She however now has a whole room of local seeds in her farm, stored in a very unscientific manner but looks significant and impressive to non-farming "activists".

Let me tell you something about a lot of these "local varieties". They are abandoned by farmers because they are no longer commercially viable to grow. I know of more sensible farm activists in tribal Central India who gave up on "traditional" vegetable varieties because of their low yield and disease sensitivity. Finally, the yield that they did get had a low shelf life that by the time they got it to the market they were more or less mush.

Local varieties of wheat that had stalks 5 feet and above more or less resulted in famine in the early 60s. Because in large farms and the unpredictable weather conditions around harvest, a slightly strong wind, or unseasonal rain meant that these top heavy thin stalks would fall over and a farmers entire harvest would just literally be lost in the dust. It was people like Dr. Borlaug who introduced practical short stalked long yielding varieties from Mexico that enabled India to become perhaps the second largest grower of wheat in Asia.

Vandana Shiva refuses to consider the growing population, depletion of aerable land and natural resources She grows "organic" vegetables on a large farm that she was lucky enough to inherit and sells these at boutique prices. More power to her. No one is going to prevent her from continuing to do this, but she is so keen to bully farmers all over the world to do things her way.

Do you know that, much against the will of the university scientists, the experimental farms for Bt Eggplant had to be kept secret because her fellow "activists" actually uised to tresspass into the farms and vandalise them and beat up and harass the workers.

 

[Susheel]

Again biotechnology is not just about Golden Rice. And also Golden Rice is not going to end up being the only rice available. It is an option that is being made available and it has still some time to go before being perfected.

I can see where it would be a godsend in situations like public meal schemes run by Red Cross in disaster or famine areas or India's own school level noon meal scheme that serves the poorest of the poor.