Monkey See. Monkey Do. Oops $12 million.

[PhantomWolf]

This is sheer lunacy! When did political correctness drown out freedom of speech?

This "we will not stop until everybody is afraid to open their mouth" madness is everything that is wrong with this world.

Freedom of Speech is NOT Freedom from consequences, and also ONLY applies to the Government taking CRIMINAL actions.

You can say what you like, and other people can sue the pants off you for it if you breach civil laws and rights such as defamation or equal protections.

 

[Giordano]

^This. And teachers especially do not have the right, within their responsibilities as teachers, to bully students of any “race,” or to be so unaware/uncaring of fundamental memes of racial bigotry as to employ them so blatantly.

Freedom of speech does not mean that one can be nasty, insensitive, and ignorant at your job while expecting continued employment.

Beyond this, frankly IMHO I don’t see the right to insult other people as being one of the most crucial freedoms of speech...

 

[cullennz]

Probably just me, as we didn't have it, but I actually find the whole taking photos of the kids on trips thing a bit weird.

Get from the thread it is a normal thing some places.

 

[William Parcher]

taking photos of the kids on trips thing a bit weird.

High school yearbooks use photos of students and activities and such. A treasure for life.

 

[TragicMonkey]

High school yearbooks use photos of students and activities and such. A treasure for life.

I burned mine! A fitting end to a dreadful period of time with truly awful people. Looking back from a mellow middle-age I can only hope, with all the sincerity and serenity of which I am capable, that all of those other people are dead now.

 

[cullennz]

High school yearbooks use photos of students and activities and such. A treasure for life.

Fair enough

We didn't have high school year books, but have seen them in movies/tv etc.

We just had kind of group class photos where everyone poses like a sports team

 

[William Parcher]

all of those other people are dead now.

That's an unfortunate attitude. Some kids with that same attitude take guns to school and blast away. It's horrible.

 

[TragicMonkey]

That's an unfortunate attitude. Some kids with that same attitude take guns to school and blast away. It's horrible.

If any kids develop time travel and go back in time to shoot up my high school in the mid 90s I'll accept moral responsibility.

 

[psionl0]

Freedom of Speech is NOT Freedom from consequences, and also ONLY applies to the Government taking CRIMINAL actions.

You can say what you like, and other people can sue the pants off you for it if you breach civil laws and rights such as defamation or equal protections.

Then you don't have freedom of speech.

 

[cullennz]

Then you don't have freedom of speech.

Care to elaborate?

 

[psionl0]

Care to elaborate?

This has been debated endlessly. If you knowingly and maliciously make a false statement then somebody who is harmed by it can sue for redress. Revealing classified information is also not covered under "free speech" (since you presumably gave that undertaking when you received that information or you obtained it illegally).

Merely stating an opinion should never be subject to such restrictions. Otherwise you would be handing the keys to the asylum to the lunatics. We would have the crazy situation where anybody who felt offended by your opinion could take you to court and sue you for millions of dollars.

 

[psionl0]

Couldn't you have just said "suck it up, weaklings" and saved yourself some time?

I wouldn't go that far - although there are people who would. At least, that's what others have told me in the past.

I learned a long time ago that nobody cares how I feel.

 

[cullennz]

This has been debated endlessly. If you knowingly and maliciously make a false statement then somebody who is harmed by it can sue for redress. Revealing classified information is also not covered under "free speech" (since you presumably gave that undertaking when you received that information or you obtained it illegally).

Merely stating an opinion should never be subject to such restrictions. Otherwise you would be handing the keys to the asylum to the lunatics. We would have the crazy situation where anybody who felt offended by your opinion could take you to court and sue you for millions of dollars.

So you don't think the teacher

"knowingly and maliciously make a false statement then somebody who is harmed by it "

By comparing black kids to monkeys, who must have known the connotations.

 

[cullennz]

Unless of course the teachers in the US are the thickest people around.

Good luck with the kids if this is the case

 

[Sideroxylon]

I wouldn't go that far - although there are people who would. At least, that's what others have told me in the past.

I learned a long time ago that nobody cares how I feel.

That is sad but it doesn’t have to be like that.

 

[PhantomWolf]

If you knowingly and maliciously make a false statement then somebody who is harmed by it can sue for redress.

I am guessing then if I got a photo of you and posted it to the internet with the words "Pedo-Guy" on it, then as long as it was just a joke and no harm meant, you'd be all fine with it?

 

[Giordano]

Then you don't have freedom of speech.

We don't. Not by your definition. Never did.

 

[Giordano]

This has been debated endlessly. If you knowingly and maliciously make a false statement then somebody who is harmed by it can sue for redress. Revealing classified information is also not covered under "free speech" (since you presumably gave that undertaking when you received that information or you obtained it illegally).

Merely stating an opinion should never be subject to such restrictions. Otherwise you would be handing the keys to the asylum to the lunatics. We would have the crazy situation where anybody who felt offended by your opinion could take you to court and sue you for millions of dollars.

Try telling your boss he/she is an idiot. Just an opinion... Or that your 6 year old students should tortured and killed. Just an opinion...

Sorry, opinions do have consequences. Particularly in terms of a work environment, but often beyond that as well.

 

[Distracted1]

I am guessing then if I got a photo of you and posted it to the internet with the words "Pedo-Guy" on it, then as long as it was just a joke and no harm meant, you'd be all fine with it?

I think for your example to have merit it would need to be self-evident from the image that the pictured person was not a part of the class you choose for your label.

Perhaps a picture of your target labeled a "dog" or some such.

 

[Giordano]

Unless of course the teachers in the US are the thickest people around.

Good luck with the kids if this is the case

Some are. Some are brilliant. My kids were in public school K - 12 and some significant part of my role as parent was to hope they got the latter as teachers, but if they got the former to find ways of compensating. Of course I tried to influence the choices of teachers in the few subtle ways available to me, but usually that was not possible.