Molten Steel

[GlennB]

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=78463

On a couple of different threads, several of the CTists kept harping over and over about how TK and I hadn't addressed their molten metal point; practically drooling that since we were "dodging" it that it must be a smoking gun. So, I spun off a thread to address only that point (did the same thing with the UL steel) and asked them to present why it supported their claims.

98 views. 3 replies commenting that it doesn't support their CD claim. 0 replies explaining how it would support the CD claim.

(not strictly relevant to your post above, but relevant to the whole molten steel debate)

From a conversation elsewhere with a UK fire service technical expert :

"... So to answer your question... no the temperature of a smouldering fire cannot get hotter than a flaming fire.... if it did the smouldering material would burst into flame..."

He says that steel that was glowing when it fell could maintain any such glow if buried in smouldering material for a long period, depending on fuel/air/insulation. Taking this as plain fact, any glowing steel subsequently recovered from GZ would have been that way, give or take a little, when it fell. He also denies the possibility of molten steel in any 'conventional' fire, airliner fuel fireballs included. Add this all up and any molten steel at GZ is looking very unlikely indeed.

My correspondent over at that forum is a very strong dude and I have pushed this discussion with him to its limit. Regrettably I tried asking leading questions in PM during my CT phase and he just blanked me outright, until I eventually asked a sensible question again. Good man

cheers

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

(not strictly relevant to your post above, but relevant to the whole molten steel debate)

From a conversation elsewhere with a UK fire service technical expert :

"... So to answer your question... no the temperature of a smouldering fire cannot get hotter than a flaming fire.... if it did the smouldering material would burst into flame..."

He says that steel that was glowing when it fell could maintain any such glow if buried in smouldering material for a long period, depending on fuel/air/insulation. Taking this as plain fact, any glowing steel subsequently recovered from GZ would have been that way, give or take a little, when it fell. He also denies the possibility of molten steel in any 'conventional' fire, airliner fuel fireballs included. Add this all up and any molten steel at GZ is looking very unlikely indeed.

My correspondent over at that forum is a very strong dude and I have pushed this discussion with him to its limit. Regrettably I tried asking leading questions in PM during my CT phase and he just blanked me outright, until I eventually asked a sensible question again. Good man

cheers

How about endothermic chemical reactions of steel or other flammable metals with the materials in the rubble pile or of a Steam, Steel reaction?

http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm

 

[GlennB]

How about endothermic chemical reactions of steel or other flammable metals with the materials in the rubble pile or of a Steam, Steel reaction?

http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm

My man only considered conventional hydrocarbon fire. In his analysis the smouldering fire was incapable of reaching sufficient temperature to melt steel because of simple lack of oxygen. His position was that any steel already glowing could certainly maintain that temperature for a weeks, but any increase in temperature wasn't feasible.

Now, other iron reactions such as those mentioned in debunking911.com just bring back distant memories of school chemistry lessons. A lot of reading to do ...

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